On the TLC Reality Show, “18 Kids and Counting,” America got a chance to take a glimpse into the lives of the Jim Bob, Michelle Duggars and their 18 children. To say that they have a full house is a huge understatement as I can’t imagine what meal times must be like in their home.
Well, there is good news to report, as Joshua Duggar, the oldest child announced that he and his wife Anna are expecting their first child in October.
The media-friendly family even has their own website, where they post about their family, their views on life and religions, as well as their thoughts about this recent news.
Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar released a statement saying, “We are very excited to have another member in the Duggar family! God truly has brought them together and we look forward to the blessing of grandchildren!”
The family lives in Tonitown, Arkansas and are ecstatic about the recent news. The NY Daily News reports that Anna is being treated by Dr. Amy Sarver, who also delivered several of Joshua’s siblings.
Michelle, Anna’s mother-in-law, is giving Anna lots of tips for a healthy pregnancy which is valuable information as she’s quite a pro by now. Anna says, “She told me to eat small meals frequently during the day to get through the morning sickness.”
Comments
Kaylie
April 13th, 2009 - 11:47:27 AM
that wedding photo is crazy!
Mike
April 13th, 2009 - 3:02:24 PM
This horrible family needs to be sent to the moon. Their actions should not be encouraged, let alone condoned.
King Psyz of Las Vegas
April 13th, 2009 - 3:03:26 PM
And the cycle of clown car uteri continues...
sdtangler
April 13th, 2009 - 3:33:42 PM
ENOUGH!!! The planet cannot support an infinite number of people. If each of their 18 kids has eighteen kids, and the grandkids have 18 kids, there will be 5,832 great-grandchildren!!!! STOP!!!
Bob Dog
April 13th, 2009 - 3:38:02 PM
A retroactive tubal ligation would seem to be in order.
JT
April 13th, 2009 - 3:52:29 PM
sdtangler, that is exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull#Population_and_demography for info on their attempt to perform a brute-force takeover of the political system via senseless breeding. These kids are nothing more than pawns to fulfill a lifelong goal of finally forcing everyone to be governed by 'Christian Ideas'. It's fucking sick.
Far
April 13th, 2009 - 4:08:28 PM
Stop bashing. These people love and care for their children, do not live beyond their means and give back to their community. If you want someone to bash, go find some of those women living off welfare and who have multiple kids, all with different fathers.
JT
April 13th, 2009 - 4:20:05 PM
I will not stop bashing. Attempting to shift the focus onto welfare moms won't work either. Both are acting irresponsibly, but at least the welfare moms have an excuse: good old christian 'Abstinence Only' education left them unprepared to deal with sex. If the Duggars have their way, no one will ever have the chance to use birth control, we'll see where welfare ends up when that happens. The quiverful movement is full of psychopaths, driven by an insane level of selfishness that will allow them to delude themselves into thinking they are somehow good parents, even when their attention is subdivided 18 ways. It doesn't matter to them, all that matters is the long term plan. Fuck these selfish assholes.
Vili
April 13th, 2009 - 4:55:26 PM
It's a vagina, not a clown car. This entire family need to be taken in for sterilization immediately. Yes, include the kids cause you know the so-called-parents brainwashed them into thinking this sort of this is ok when it's just sick.
Ally
April 13th, 2009 - 4:57:44 PM
I think it's wonderful that Josh and Anna are pregnant. They are self sustaining Americans, and live their life by the Bible, doing what is right. I've never heard of more hateful people, than on this site. Some people are so pathetic.
Susie
April 13th, 2009 - 5:04:59 PM
First of all, you all need to stop making comments about this family. If they want to have that many children and have the money to support them, let them have that many children. The United States doesn't have any regulations as far as how many children a couple can have. The world is increasing in population but with the advancements in science, we are going to come up with a way to feed the growing population. Think about it, thousands of years ago the population was way less than it is now and we have adapted so please stop bashing. You all don't like being told what to do, don't bash on them.
Heidi
April 13th, 2009 - 5:08:08 PM
Wow JT some one has really driven you over the edge. 30 years ago, large families were the norm...I come from a family of 12 children, many of the kids I grew up with had a like amount. Why does it bother you so much that a couple can have (and support) so many children. I personally would not choose to have 18 children...but they are able to. They own their own home, they dont owe anyone anything. They raise their children to be good, honest, productive members of society. If the dreaded "C" word was not mentioned, would it still anger you?
Jordan
April 13th, 2009 - 5:41:03 PM
I can personally attest to the damaging long-term effects of the fundamentalist Christian homeschooler lifestyle, having come from exactly such an environment myself. Here are some notable quotes from JT's wiki link: "many Quiverfull believers, who trade statistics on the falling _white_ birthrate in European countries" ---- I have heard such xenophobic conversations among fundie families, numerous times. Other races, nationalities and religions are feared, misunderstood, judged and condemned by this almost entirely _white_ Christian segment of America. "women and children are routinely and systematically subordinated and subjugated by the men in their lives - fathers, husbands, older sons, sons, pastors, elders, leaders - as a matter of biblical principle." ---- Very true; it's not that different from Islam in that sense. Also the female body is a temptation and must be covered up to the neck and down to the ankles, similar to Muslim beliefs. "Families are typically arranged with the mother as a homemaker under the authority of her husband with the children under the authority of both. Parents seek to largely shelter their children from aspects of culture they as parents deem adversarial to their type of conservative Christianity." ---- I was so severely sheltered from exposure to society & modern culture, that I have spent 14 years since leaving home and am still catching up. It has taken a lot of concerted effort & willpower for me to integrate with society and feel a normal part of it. The strict, severe parental authority structure has also caused me psychological issues which I'm still working through. Thanks Mom & Dad!
AJ
April 13th, 2009 - 5:41:16 PM
They AREN'T self-sustaining; they rely on handouts from their church and from people who visit their website.
Jordan
April 13th, 2009 - 5:58:38 PM
Oh wait, I forgot to mention the widespread belief in demons and how scary it is for a child to envision some dark malicious entities floating around. And how these demons supposedly fly all around our cities and are concentrated in places such as New York or San Francisco, the hotbeds of sin. Sometimes they need to be prayed away from a house or exorcised from a person. Many fundamentalists believe that people of other religions (or no religion) are merely enslaved or deceived by demons. And anyone (like me) who says demons don't exist is also blinded by the demons, so their opinion doesn't count. Fundies believe that sheltering your children from society will protect them from the demonic influence of our evil culture. All this is a throwback to the superstitions and witch hunts of the Middle Ages.
R J
April 13th, 2009 - 5:59:43 PM
Hey AJ how about you giving us 100% proof and evidence of your comments or why don't you can it?
Bob Dog
April 13th, 2009 - 6:00:51 PM
The arrogance of overbredders is only exceeded by their willful ignorance of the physical reality of the ecological structure of this planet. Resources are no longer relatively infinite in relationship to human populations. They are limited. Humans, since the industrial revolution, generate toxicity that is not not broken down organically in direct relationship to their numbers. The only way anyone could breed this excessively is by self indulgent stupidity or intentionally ignoring the scientific evidence because of an archaic interpretation of religion.
Jordan
April 13th, 2009 - 6:07:52 PM
"They speak about, 'If everyone starts having eight children or 12 children, imagine in three generations what we'll be able to do,' " Joyce says. " 'We'll be able to take over both halls of Congress, we'll be able to reclaim sinful cities like San Francisco for the faithful, and we'll be able to wage very effective massive boycotts against companies that are going against God's will.' " excerpt from: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102005062
LB
April 13th, 2009 - 6:12:14 PM
You guys should leave this family alone and worry more about the crack mommies popping out 5-6-7 kids with different guys, raising car thieves, drug smugglers, and murders. At least this family isn't gonna rob you while your on vacation.
John
April 13th, 2009 - 6:21:46 PM
If you ask me the issue isn't whether the Duggars are good people. They seem to have good intentions in the way they have raised their children. I think it is more about the need for the children of these families to take responsibility for our planet. Susie said, "The world is increasing in population but with the advancements in science, we are going to come up with a way to feed the growing population. Think about it, thousands of years ago the population was way less than it is now and we have adapted" This couldn't be further from the truth. An ecosystem requires constant passing on of energy from one organism to the next. Once you reach overpopulation by any species nature takes its own steps to bring things back into balance. This could manifest itself as a virus, loss or dying off of essential food sources, and most importantly the disappearance of clean water sources. Scientists have already estimated that a water shortage will be upon us within this century. I have no doubt that these people believe that what they are doing is right, but why overpopulate the earth further if these are the problems you are going to leave your children? What kind of values does that really demonstrate? Kind of selfish if you ask me. And yet when people ignore the societal pressure to breed THEY are viewed as selfish. Funny, huh?
Bob Dog
April 13th, 2009 - 6:28:39 PM
Only rob the nation of its wealth by using disproportionate amounts of tax dollars for education and other services.. but promiscuous drug addicts are certainly even more detrimental.
aelfheld
April 13th, 2009 - 8:05:48 PM
If for nothing else, I like the Duggars precisely because of the enemies they attract.
Jen
April 13th, 2009 - 11:14:34 PM
I personally think the Duggars are great. The reason why people bash them is because of jealousy. Whenever someone does something hard and succeeds it is frowned upon by others. You have to give them props they are self sufficient, not relying on the government and raising kids with morals and hard work.
megzy
April 13th, 2009 - 11:30:16 PM
the duggars are insane..im waiting for the day michelle duggar's uterus to fall out on bulk grocery trip...
Just saying
April 13th, 2009 - 11:38:15 PM
The saddest aspect of this show is that even the 19 year old twins are not moving on with their lives. Instead of college the girls care for and educate their siblings. Also noticed Jim Bob is wearing new clothes (no more buy used and save the difference?) with Michelle cutting off the tags. And was that a BMW they were driving? How much are they being paid for their tv show?
Dave
April 13th, 2009 - 11:39:06 PM
It's not the fact that they have 18 children that terrifies me; It's the positively tyrannical long-term plan to take over via overpopulation and turn the country into a fundamentalist theocracy. Whether or not they can maintain such an attitude over that many children and over that many generations is certainly questionable, but the mere thought sends chills up my spine. Whatever importance religion has had in socializing and letting some find strength, religion has proven a retarding force in societal progress, especially as of late; For gays and lesbians, for women, for science, for humanity. Christian fundamentalists - like the Quiverfull people - seem to be innately opposed to equality and progress. We need less of it, not more. No, the plan here doesn't fill me with hate; the plan here scares the crap out of me. Because I don't possess the sociological knowledge to know if a scheme like that could work. I sincerely hope that it doesn't. Societally mandated congratulations are in order to them, but it's been a very long struggle dragging ourselves out of the religious darkness, and I couldn't bear to see your bundles of joy spell suffering for all the rest of us trying to move forward.
Amanda
April 14th, 2009 - 12:16:01 AM
I agree. Dave. the number of children arent the problem but the religion is spooky. No, Jen It isnt jealousy here but rather like repsonsibily and reality.The majority of posters on here must be young or something,.If we cant judge them, they shouldnt judge those who cant have or dont want children. I think these two are pressured by their beliefs. JMO Marriage and children doesnt always mean happiness. Im afraid todays youngsters are being brainwashed by what they see on TV. A quiverfull ideal would mean getting married before 21 at least 25 or so. How many are ready?
Daniel
April 14th, 2009 - 1:37:51 AM
I don't know whether to bash the Duggars & the Quiverfull Movement for wanting to breed an army of Christians simply to take over the government by force of numbers ( w / the children as the means to this end & hence tools ), or to applaud for successfully ( ? ) raising a brood of crotch fruit without going crazy, broke, etc. Why not just let 'em start a new country - Duggerland or Duggeristan. Or when space technology advances far enough along, give them their own Lunar or Martian colony ? I'm a practicing Christian, & the premise of the QM does seem rather frighteningly mechanical, turning Mormon women into fetal factories to insure future generations of believers to carry the flame. Sheesh.....
jsc
April 14th, 2009 - 2:38:17 AM
Is this an actual family or a puppy mill? Something tells me that two or three generations from now there will be a standoff between the Duggar clan led by a nut job and the Feds. Its coming.
Gahr Gantuan
April 14th, 2009 - 5:47:16 AM
If people like this are allowed to breed indiscriminately, folks should be allowed to hunt their little monkeys indiscriminately. It's called culling the herd. Some of the most irresponsible people I've ever heard of.
Teh
April 14th, 2009 - 8:16:06 AM
I am not a Christian. I generally abhor "bible thumping" and people who have mass amounts of kids. However, the Duggars are TRULY an exception. Everyone is well cared for, genteel and educated. They've made responsible choices from day one and the kids will probably follow suit. Josh & Anna are married 7 months! Babies are legit after marriage. My parents only had one kid - 1 week before their first anniversary. 95% of the comments to this article is proof of what a horrible, negative, jealous society the human race has become. We should all be ashamed and strive to take lessons from this bright star of a family. Duggars = good example of the correct "way". Octomom and most of welfare recipients = wrong "way" of doing things. Get the facts before you bash.
JFR
April 14th, 2009 - 8:47:14 AM
It's not the fact that they have 18 kids and going that makes me dislike the Duggars. It's the fact that they are doing this specifically so they can take away the rights of other Americans who don't believe the way they do, by birthing a flood of brainwashed Evangelicals. Fascists from the womb on.
DJH
April 14th, 2009 - 9:11:07 AM
I find it interesting that the liberals on here are so full of hate towards this family. I think what it boils down to is this family is becoming a voting block of 18 plus conservative votes. The liberals are ABORTING their future votes so they are all in a panic. The Rowe effect is alive and well.
Kyle
April 14th, 2009 - 9:19:30 AM
I agree totally JFR. Personally, I think what they're doing is irresponsible as all hell, but I'm not going to say the governemnt seeds to do something about them. The fact that they are essentially telling everyone that they have religio-fascist takeover intentions scares the funking snit out of me. I mean c'mon people, THEY'RE SERIOUSLY TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY! Nevermind whether it's actually feasible. Who knows if it will work, but I don't care. This is precisely the kind of stuff we should never ever ever be glorifying on television. I don't care how much ratings they get, it's a car wreck. no one's watching for the right reasons. We cannot allow this kind of thing to be ok. These people are the fucking Taliban of our nation
Taxadvice
April 14th, 2009 - 9:26:22 AM
Please don't stereotype all liberals as spewing hate at these people. They are not on massive amounts of assistance and they are good parents. i personally don't think its a good idea to have a family this big but that's my business. nobody has a right to tell them they cannot have a big family in this country. no laws should be passed stopping this and they should not be sterilized don't be asinine its not your place to determine their life if they are not harming you. if you don't like it too bad get over it.
matthew
April 14th, 2009 - 12:25:17 PM
This is just the first step toward making the movie "Idiocracy" a reality.
Daniel
April 14th, 2009 - 12:40:43 PM
I'm a Christian, but nowhere do I get that we have to breed an army of drone - like believers to spread the Gospel " as so & so interprets it ". I've never double checked, but I don't think it's in the Bible that I've read. That kind of thinking can become dangerous. SERIOUSLY.
SANDY
April 14th, 2009 - 1:10:51 PM
THEY ARE WONDERFUL, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, TURN THE CHANEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JT
April 14th, 2009 - 1:47:39 PM
You're yelling over the internet.
Daniel
April 14th, 2009 - 3:00:58 PM
I wonder why Fox News hasn't done a story on them, they're supposed to be the vanguard of Truth, Justice & The American Christian Way to counter the lies of the heathen Liberals..... My tongue is of course firmly in my cheek.
Sarah
April 14th, 2009 - 3:38:52 PM
To DJH, Thank God those of us with brains CAN have abortions. I look at it as kind of a "checks and balances" system. If our planet has to support and sustain morons like the Duggars and the fundamental Christian movement (or is it Fundamentalist Islam? I can't tell the difference), there needs to be some give and take. I am more than happy to be a "giver" and very grateful that the law affords me the opportunity to do so :-) And I do thank God for the freedom to make my own choices.
Daniel
April 14th, 2009 - 4:11:12 PM
Maybe they should think again about the whole concept of Birth Control. There should be a cut - off point. Or at least letting another " Right - Thinking Christian fundamentalist family " (tm) adopt any extra kids in the future. That family sounds like a potential " breeding ground " ( Pun not intended.... Really. ) for future incestuous relationships when some of the kids get older & some of the boys start to develop zits, they start smelling funny, & they notice hair in new places, to loosely quote George Carlin. They're going to be in close quarters, & kids get curious & like to experiment. I think I feel sorry for them.
Daniel
April 14th, 2009 - 4:21:04 PM
I think I remember a story about them ( or maybe it was a similar family ) where the kids use " Dugger Dollars ". I think I threw up after hearing that ! Now it sounds like they're closing themselves off from the outside world except for a website & TLC coverage. Some other people in California did that, they also wore Nike jogging shoes, had strange hair cuts, wore jogging suits like uniforms. Then they drank poison laced Kool - Aid to escape from their physical bodies so they could join God aboard His spaceship in the comet Hale - Bopp. I'm not saying they're a cult, but.....
JT
April 14th, 2009 - 4:54:33 PM
The Georgetown cult drank Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid. Let's not cast a negative tone on such a delicious beverage. Also, it wasn't intentionally poisoned, it just so happened that ALL flavor-aid is poisonous.
Daniel
April 14th, 2009 - 5:13:47 PM
JT - Point taken. ( I prefer coffee, tea, & Samuel Adams, etc.!! ) Also, I was referring to Heaven's Gate, not Jonestown. One of my cousins is in a situation where his family joined a radically fundamentist church that is ALMOST a small cult, most of the members are family, etc. Very messed - up. Also concerned about the possibility of incestuous relationships occuring in the Dugger family ( cult ? ) when the crotchlings turn into adolescents & teenagers. It happens. It happened in that Fundamentalist polygamous LDS church in Texas.
Diane
April 14th, 2009 - 6:43:19 PM
Do you even realize what you just said above? "Thank God those of us with brains CAN have abortions" This is the most selfish comment I've read so far. Your "choice" is that you would chose to murder an innocent life, just because it's interfers with your life, and it's inconvenience. That baby has NO SAY in whether it lives or dies!!! Life is a responsibility, NOT A CHOICE!! God gave you a free will to make your own choices, but believe you me, he DOES NOT condone taking the life of an innocent unborn child. The is pure selfishness. You don't like it, TOO BAD!!!! Leave the Duggars alone. What did they ever do to you?
Sarah
April 14th, 2009 - 8:45:38 PM
Um, Yes, I do realize what I said. And I have no problem with it. Apparently you and I have a different viewpoint on what constitutes selfishness and I really don't care if you agree with me or not.
Diane
April 14th, 2009 - 9:36:03 PM
Yes you do have a different view point of what selfishness is. You obviously don't care about the life of an unborn child, only that it interfers with your life. It's sad. I don't have to agree with you, and I don't whether or not you care. Life apparently means absolutely nothing to you at all. What if your own mother had chosen to abort you?
Diane
April 14th, 2009 - 9:40:19 PM
You know it's attitudes like yours, that have caused over 50,000 deaths of innocent UNBORN lives!!! It's pathetic.
Del
April 14th, 2009 - 11:21:09 PM
Pardon me, but since these kids just got "married" this past Sept. how do you figure she's due in Oct.?????? That can't happen...if she is indeed "3" months along. Do the math, people, it doesn't work for me!!!!!
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 12:06:52 AM
Del - She's roughly 7 months along. WAIT ! How did they get all those kids if they've been married for less than a year ? Something just don't add up. They obviously didn't adopt. This whole situation is beginning to sound MORE than a little weird.
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 12:16:51 AM
& the Quiverfull Movement is aimed towards WHITE Christian families. Got to keep America safe from all those smelly brown minorities, & their smelly brown God or gods. Yikes !! A society for the perpetuation of blonde hair & button noses - Great. Freaking great..... !!
John
April 15th, 2009 - 1:01:59 AM
Why is it that pro-lifers never check their spelling or grammar?
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 1:28:41 AM
John - Because people get in a hurry whilst doing e - mails, etc. I try to watch my spelling, syntax, grammar, because I had a teacher who was extremely fastidious about same. Guess it rubbed off a little on me. Plus, I have an uncle who's a former newspaper editor & reporter. Anyway, when I make a few mistakes in even a short e - mail message, I get antsy !! Is there a correlation between pro - life / religious fanaticism & spell - checking / grammar ? I dunno..... I get e - mails from a former neighbour who's a fanatical Right - wing Obama Basher & TBN devotee, & her spelling is atrocious to the point of being PAINFUL. What a digression from the topic !!
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 1:43:13 AM
BTW- I checked their own website, the Duggars have been married since '84. Plenty of time for 19 hatchlings to slide out of the uterus. That place must look like the Holland Tunnel. The last kid even had room to twirl a cane as they left ( to paraphrase / rip off from " Stewie Griffin " of " Family Guy " ) !! But SERIOUSLY the idea of producing many children also has its roots in the pioneer days when infant mortality was high, & many hands were need to bring in the harvest, milk the cows, slop the hogs & such. Nowadays, it's not economically viable unless the parents are wealthy or have rich relations. That was why Irish & Italian immigrants had such big families. It became a stereotype. & maybe the Duggars see what is happening in the UK, where the population of London has an alarmingly huge Islamic element, so much so that British lawmakers are thinking of putting Sharia law on the books. Just thought I'd mention.....
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 7:14:59 AM
What does being PRO-LIFE have to do with spelling and grammar? Why does that make a difference?
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 7:16:53 AM
She's due in October, because she conceived in January. It works trust me, I have a 15 year old son who was born in October, meaning that he was coneived in October. It's not that hard.
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 7:22:58 AM
I wonder if the Duggars read posts like this? I doubt it, but what if they did? It just amazes me at the amount of negativity here. If they want more children, that's their business! I don't understand why all of the people on this site are so pissed off at these people. I'm sure that any one of you would be po'd if they were writing stuff like this about you. You're attacking them, and they don't deserve to be attacked.
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 8:49:46 AM
Oops, just noticed a typo in my 7:16am post. Their baby was conceived in January, NOT October. That would not be possible. Also, to John, you made the earlier comment on why pro-lifers never check their spelling and grammar. Do you always check yours before sending. I've seen a lot of typos here, and they are not from pro-lifers. The spelling and grammar it totally irrelevant to the conversation. Hmm, did I spell that wrong?
JT
April 15th, 2009 - 10:11:34 AM
I find it hilarious that those who preach that a fertilized egg is a 'baby' and that aborting it is a terrible thing, are the same ones who fight so hard for abstinence-only sex-ed. If a girl has sex, they don't want her to know about condoms or birth control pills. They want her to get pregnant, and then be unable to abort the baby. They want a female to get pregnant and forced to carry a baby to term, to PUNISH someone for having the audacity to have sex. People are starting to realize that Christianity is nothing more than a cult of perpetual vengeance, not the 'help the community' style Christianity as made famous by CHRIST. That is why Americans are losing faith, and atheism is on the rise. People turn to God when their lives have gotten out of control and they have no way to escape. Being forced to have a child at an early age instead of making something out of your life, solely because those who were supposed to teach you instead withheld all information in favor of presenting a biased account, that will make someone turn to God. And abortion makes it so people can still control their lives, and thus, have no need to turn to god. Abortion is awesome. =D
Normalperson
April 15th, 2009 - 10:21:06 AM
their fundementalist Christianity is the only thing that truly creeps me out about this family. Oh, and the fact that they intentionally gave all their children "J" names. Thus, they are just seen as being one of the same and I suppose if mail comes to anyone, addressed as "Miss J. Duggar", it gives Jim Bob and Michelle and authority to read their mail. Secondly, NO privacy. The children sleep in what appears to be a large room, akin to an army barrak, aged between 0-17.. That can't be healthy... The condescension and paternalism that oozes out of Josh Duggar is irritating. I don't appreciate a 20 year old kid, who has no life experience or empirical knowledge explaining to me the ways of the world. I am going to read Homer's Odyssey and believe that it, too, is the word of god -- Zeus, that is. It's insane!
Sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 10:23:14 AM
Well, Diane, If my mom had chosen to abort me, since I believe in reincarnation, I'm sure I'd have found my way back to planet Earth somehow! Honestly, this belief that abortion is the end of the world is lunacy. And those who believe it is such a horrific sin are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, given that most "pro lifers" are just fine with eating other murdered creations of God's, that being the animals who spend their entire lives being tortured, abused, then mutilated all so they can make their way to places like the Duggars' dinner table, served as Jim-Bobs favorite casserole, Tater Tots 'n Sausages. Given that supposed pro-lifers are breeding more of the same murderous mentality, I have about as much respect for your "peaceful, life-at-all-costs" movement as I do our last reigning President and his inability to articulate an intelligent sentence on national television. Until you can come to this place and say you have not harmed the hair on the head of one living, breathing, feeling, alive creature of God's making, you have no business claiming to be "pro life" because you just aren't.
Sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 10:59:53 AM
JT, I agree with you! Abortion is awesome :-) ... for the reasons you stated regarding withholding of information, then punishment and SHAMING for even having sex in the first place because we all know how "dirty" it really is. I abhor Christianity. I was raised in it and I now see it for what it really is: A way to manipulate the masses with fear, shame, guilt and self loathing. This past weekend I was taking inventory of the whole Easter thing and I almost burst out laughing, when I look at the millions of people who actually believe this fairy tale. And then have the nerve to turn around and make fun of other religions like Islam, Buddhism and even Scientology, as if those religions are so "out there." Like believing that a dead man rose from the dead is so logical and sane. Come ON :-( There is so much evidence to explain Christ's AWOL, like the fact that his legs were not really broken and he more than likely got up and WALKED OUT of that cave; the fact that there are records of countless sightings of him after his supposed death; and that he even had children. Christians can't even look at these facts, though, because it will mean they have been thoroughly duped; wool pulled over the eyes; lied to; made fools of. It's all a big tragedy if you ask me. For my entire childhood and most of my early adult life I lived in fear of this stupid religion and all of its crazy made-up BS. I am so thankful to finally see things clearly. I now have a new reason to celebrate Easter and that is as my OWN resurrection; the fact that I have risen from the depths of a fear-based cult into the freedom to see the world without my "scary glasses". It's magnificent. And so nice to be among other folks who are equally as clear on reality :-)
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 11:34:04 AM
JT - I AGREE with most of your statements about Christianity, but not all. I think that abortion should not be a gratuitous thing, but should be done only if carrying the fetus to full - term endangers the mother, or maybe if the child will be born & be severely disabled, like a child born without a brain. I'm kind of astride the fence about the issue. & most Pro - Lifers are all about protecting fetuses, but they have no reservations about sending troops to Iraq to possibly fill body bags. Unfortunate.
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 11:38:17 AM
Sarah- You mentioned Scientology. That so - called" religion " is HARMFUL. It's also a money machine designed by a hack Science Fiction writer on a bet. Just thought 'd mention.....
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 11:45:14 AM
Sarah - Jesus was only in shock, his legs weren't brken, so he just got up & walked out of the caveside tomb ? A few hundred thousand Catholics & Protestants would beg to differ with you on that point. But that's your opinion, & I'll defend to the death your right to have it even if I don't share it !!
JT
April 15th, 2009 - 12:15:11 PM
A few hundred thousand Catholics and Protestants would beg to differ on way more than that one point. The pope claims condoms will hasten the spread of STDs. Seriously. It's pretty safe to ignore them, as they prove with every passing day that, despite the progresses of the world, they refuse to move forward, even an inch. The internet is creating a world of thinkers, who now have an open window in their lives through which they can see beyond the small-town cultish indoctrination into an institution they never had a choice in. People go years thinking the way they were taught is the right way, and more importantly, that everyone else is wrong. The internet has let people see into the lives of these 'godless heathen bastards' and people realize that atheists aren't the great evil that has been preached. Cracks are forming in the ancient institutions, and the refusal to modernize will be their downfall. The only solution now, in a world with an increasing amount of free-thinkers, is to OUTBREED THEM, and hope to ultimately force your religion on them by taking over the government, since they aren't so easily persuaded by fairy tales anymore. What a bunch of psychopaths.
Sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 12:25:36 PM
Daniel, Yeah, I know about Scientology and I wasn't supporting it; more mentioning it because it IS so crazy with all of the make-believe stuff like Sea Orgs and other science fiction nonsense. I mentioned it in the context of Christianity because Christians are so dead set that the particular "story" they believe in is "the truth," when it is every bit as ludicrous as the mythical Scientology stuff. But how much sense does it make that a man could poof (!) vanish from a grave? Or "walk on water"; or that a woman could conceive a child without having sex. These things are all taken "on faith" and believed to be gospel "truth" yet they are ridiculous concepts. I know millions disagree with the idea that Christ walked out under his own power but the Dead Sea Scrolls paint a much different picture, one that makes more sense to me. If you google Christ's legs not broken, there's all kinds of interesting, thought-provoking reading. I don't, for one minute, doubt that Christ was here, taught amazing messages like unconditional love, etc.; where I get bogged down is in the religion of Christianity itself, which, so far as I can tell, has nothing whatsoever to do with the true teachings of Christ. And as for abortion, yeah, being a woman and having the right to choose is something that I would defend to the death. I don't agree with late-term abortions, or abortions as a regular means of birth control, but having been the victim of rape as a young teenager, impregnated by/with evil incarnate, I likely would have killed myself with a coathanger had abortion not been legal. What I most resent about the pro life movement is their audacity to believe they know what is right for another human being. I have no doubts my baby's spirit is doing just fine right now. Big deal if it didn't get the original "container" it started out in. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. But then I no longer believe in Hell either. How liberating :-)
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 12:32:18 PM
JT and Sarah, you are two very sorry people. Abortion is the most hideous act we as humans can do in our lives. Yea there were a lot of deaths in the war. War is war, and when one makes the decision to join the military, they are going in knowing that they may not come back. That's the consequence of War. Abortion is a choice a pregnant woman makes, to end a life that has no say. To end of life because it's an inconvenience.
sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 12:40:10 PM
Okay Diane. I sincerely hope you get raped and pregnant and come post about your "joyful experience" on this forum. I really can't wait to hear about your blessed event. You are every bit as callous towards human life as you claim the rest of us are. Just one more example of Christian hypocrisy. And one more reason I am no longer part of your cult.
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 12:50:26 PM
JT, you obviously have no belief in God whatsoever, if you can say that killing unborn babies is awesome and God is not needed, then you have no respect for humand life or God. No futher comments are needed.
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 12:52:43 PM
Sarah, I have to say that your opinions about reincarnation, etc., are way out there!!!! I defend that I believe is wrong.
JT
April 15th, 2009 - 12:55:38 PM
Wishing rape on someone is really caustic, regardless of whether the person is a hateful Christian or not. We should aspire to not become like Christians, and wishing malice on one who thinks differently is a decidedly Christian behavior we should not be striving to emulate. Just enjoy the fireworks and rage as the hateful ones are marginalized further and further with every year that passes. Today's youth have the opportunity to build their opinions and concepts of right and wrong based on an infinite number of sources, not just lcoal brainwashing. They are more worldly than we were at their age, and their resounding voice, as evidenced in the last election, is shouting for an end to fundamentalism, and the bigotry that accompanies Christianity. The forces of racism united in the last election, and we learned that it isn't strong enough to last. Christianity is losing ground, and the effect is spreading. Gone are the days where you could simply create new followers by invading a sovereign land and forcing religion on them through violence and tyranny. Now, it's just religion being less and less relevant, all the time. It feels wonderful! Bask in the glow of human progress, but do not adopt the hateful approach, because then we are no better than the fundamentalists!
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 12:55:49 PM
Sarah, Christianity is no fairy tale. You chose not to believe in God, so be it. But that doesn't mean he isn't there. We as Christians are not the ones who have the problems believing. You are condeming something, that you obviously don't know or understand anything about.
megan
April 15th, 2009 - 1:00:05 PM
This is a comment to one of the first comments made... The world is not over populated, or even anywhere close to it. The entire population of the world right now could fit into the town on Jacksonville, FL. Why does it bother people so much that some familes choose not to use birth control? That some familes actually love and want lots of children? That some familes choose to believe in God and trust Him with their life? How is it hurting anybody??
Sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 1:00:21 PM
Yeah, that's how it is "way out" here in California. We tend to think outside the box, question ancient, worn-out thinking that makes no sense, eat lots of vegetables, and vote in favor of animal rights.
sdtangler
April 15th, 2009 - 1:01:41 PM
Diane, you have a problem in that: you think less of people that don't believe in the same god that you do. You should read your bible a bit more closely, god has - ordered babies to be smashed on rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9) - orders the murder of all men, women and children in 60 cities (Deuteronomy 3P). - orders the death of anybody from another religion (Exodus 22:19 NAB) - orders the death of anyone in a town where ONE person worships another god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) - and, of course, kills all the first-born of Egypt (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT) Your god seems to have a special place in his heart for killing people, including babies.
JT
April 15th, 2009 - 1:01:41 PM
Reincarnation is 'way out there', but Jesus coming back from the dead is perfectly understandable, and historical fact. Diane, do you see now why your religion is losing ground at an exciting rate? It's because you have the audacity to ridicule someone's beliefs while steadfastly insisting that your equally unlikely beliefs are somehow factual. That sort of hypocrisy is disturbing to a lot of people. I am an atheist. I evaluate everything logically, and require proof if I am going to believe something. There is no proof of god, and despite Jesus returning from the dead (amazing, i'm sure), there is remarkably little written about it. The Bible is just an earlier version of Dianetics, written by someone who was just as crazy as L Ron Hubbard. Scientology and Christianity are both made up stories, intended to influence people into doing what the author wants. For Hubbard, it was money. For the author of the Bible (not god, by the way), it was power.
sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 1:05:05 PM
"We should aspire to not become like Christians, and wishing malice on one who thinks differently is a decidedly Christian behavior we should not be striving to emulate." Awwww....JT. You are so right. Thank you for calling me on the carpet on this. I appreciate your candor and couldn't agree more. No more stooping to that level. I would say "shame on me" but I am trying to ditch my Christian upbringing, so instead I will say that in my zeal, I spoke out of line re wishing rape on someone else. That was out of line and I take it back. Sarah
JT
April 15th, 2009 - 1:06:29 PM
"Why does it bother people so much that some familes choose not to use birth control? That some familes actually love and want lots of children? That some familes choose to believe in God and trust Him with their life? How is it hurting anybody??" If the end goal is to accumulate enough human fodder to froce through legislation which would deprive others of the right to use birth control, then we have a problem. It's also the wrong reason to have babies. They are not instruments to be used in a fundamentalist war against those who believe in no god or a different god. There is nothing wrong with being Christian. There is lots wrong with trying to take away peoples' rights. And having lots of children so you might one day be able to force your christian beliefs on everyone is just the method of stripping away peoples' rights. It's a long term plan, and one a likely will never see the outcome of, but the goal is not admirable at all, and in fact, is downright oppressive.
Sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 1:10:28 PM
"The Bible is just an earlier version of Dianetics, written by someone who was just as crazy as L Ron Hubbard. ' JT, HO!! I may just have to post this one on my fridge ;-) Sarah
Del
April 15th, 2009 - 1:53:37 PM
Okay I stand corrected. My daughter figured it out as I haven't been pregnant for many decades. My youngest is 28, and a newly wed herself. They have been together for five years, and dated that long. Sooooo, it's not like Josh and Anna who I still believe are way too young for the long road ahead of them. Marriage is tough enough w/o adding babies right away, and being that they have "never" really DATED!! I think you get my point? No condemnation here, I just think that their ages are against them. What can they possibly know of the "real" world when they've not been out in it?????
Daniel
April 15th, 2009 - 2:04:47 PM
There's too much visceral bickering, name - calling, petty sniping, & not ENOUGH RATIONAL DISCUSSION here. Folks, I must bid you adieu. Daniel
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 2:45:20 PM
Sarah, what the heck is your problem with God? You just have to condemn everything and everyone including the bible. The bible was written by his decisples. I think you are just looking for an argument here. Do you have nothing else to do with your time, than to bash Christians?
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 2:54:39 PM
Jesus rose from the dead on the Third day, as is written in scripture. But being an Atheist you need proof, as all atheists do. If you can't see it, then you don't believe it. It's call Faith, of which you do not have. The Catholic Church is by no way losing ground in the world. It is the largest church in the world, founded by Christ himself. God much more powerful than evil is, and he will not be mocked!!! I'm not ridiculing you. I've talked to atheists, and they are all the same. Show me proof that God exists, then we can talk. There is no faith basis in your minds. It's all science and logic. My beliefs are fact. They came from Christ himself way before you or I was even born. The fact that you chose to Deny the existence of Christ, and mock him is not something that comes from God, but from lack of knowledge in God. I'm not afraid to say what I believe, but you seem to have to attack everything I have said, because I believe and you don't. You don't need proof that God exists. Noone has ever seen God, but we as Christians have the Faith in which he gave us to believe that he is here. You can justify, and ask for proof all that you want, but your not going to mock my beliefs.
Diane
April 15th, 2009 - 2:55:20 PM
I think that JT and Sarah should get together. They'd be a perfect match.
JT
April 15th, 2009 - 3:01:01 PM
It is your right to believe in as many imaginary beings as you want. It is not our responsibility to give you any more credibility than we do to schizophrenics. The Greeks, Romans, and Norse were all cultures with rich mythological histories that eventually grew up and admitted that their pantheons of gods were just fictitious beings invented to explain things that were beyond their understanding. Unlike Christians, they grew up. Your refusal to grow up may have endeared you to generations of Christians, but it makes you look like an idiot to the grown-ups. And the group of grown-ups is getting larger every day. You get no special treatment for believing in fairytales.
Sarah
April 15th, 2009 - 3:48:12 PM
Diane, Really, you do sound like a child -- Come on: "I think that JT and Sarah should get together. They’d be a perfect match." Good grief. How old are you? Apparently in your haste to judge everything I have written, you have missed the part where I said I grew up in Christianity and had most of my childhood ruined by it; therefore, when I became a thinking, reasoning grown up, I started doing my own reading, researching, etc., and decided that it was not in my best interest to have my life governed by the tenets of a ridiculous set of religious beliefs that is not grounded in reality. I decided that a belief system which is founded on the principle that a woman bore a child without ever having sex borders on lunacy. The same idiocy teaches that on one hand God is a "jealous, vengeful God"; wrathful, even! Yet in the next breath, due to His magnanimous love, He "sent his only begotten son to die for me." Oh and speaking of sending His only son to die on a cross, this was, perhaps the nail -- pardon the pun ;-) -- in the whole charade because it scared the shit out of me to place all of my trust in a God who loved his OWN son SO MUCH...that he sent him to die on a cross! What the F kind of a "father" does that to their own son, and why in the hell would I want to trust a God like that? If He was capable of nailing his own son to a cross, what was he capable of doing to me??? As if the whole crazy religion is not enough cause me to doubt its validity, even more importantly are the people who walk around (Christians) claiming to teach the message of Christ, all the while murdering animals for holiday feasts to honor a man who came to teach a message of love and compassion. In case you haven't figured it out, I am a vegetarian, and I have found, in my circle of friends, more compassion and reverence for God and his creations than all of the Christian churches on the planet. Also in your narrow minded zest to shame me for not believing as you do, you seem to have missed my references to God and (arrogantly) automatically assume that just because I do not believe as you do, therefore I must not believe. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I believe in a God but he is not kept in a small (minded) box and worshiped by small-minded people. And -- something you will no doubt not understand because you seem to be stuck and fixated on "the bible" -- my understanding of God - the Universe - changes and grows on a daily basis, according to the new things (yes, I read those ghastly "new age" books that you folks love to hate) I read and new ideas that I explore. I am particularly fond of seeing God in animals (indeed they seem to embody perfect love much more completely than people do). That is all I have to say to you. And, given your penchant for hanging onto old ideas, I do not expect you to understand one shred of it. Sarah
Diane
April 16th, 2009 - 8:34:53 AM
Sarah, I will not justify your comments with an answer, because it is completely pointless.. You have made up your mind about Christianity. Pure and simple, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND CHRISTIANITY OR GOD! If you really did, you would NOT be making these comments. To read what you had to say about my faith, made me sick. You don't know me or anything about me, and visa versa. I'm not here to judge anyone, just to defend the God that I know exists. Take it for what you will. But you too will be judged and not by me. Signing off!
Diane
April 16th, 2009 - 8:41:28 AM
One last post to you, Sarah!!! I'm am deeply offended by the comment you made below. This shows me your immaturity, and lack of understanding of what abortion does. For someone to say that "abortion is awesome" is down right evil. Murder is not awesome. It's pure hate. I am not calaous about human life. I respect it, and take responsibility for it. You can't judge me because you don't know me. For the last fricken time, CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A CULT!!!! GET OVER IT!!!! With your attitude, you'll never understand or want to at this point in your life. I really feel for you. To wish rape on someone is pure hatred. Your very full of anger, and have chosen to vent and take it out on me. Sorry, I won't put up with it. Okay Diane. I sincerely hope you get raped and pregnant and come post about your “joyful experience” on this forum. I really can’t wait to hear about your blessed event. You are every bit as callous towards human life as you claim the rest of us are. Just one more example of Christian hypocrisy. And one more reason I am no longer part of your cult
Del
April 16th, 2009 - 10:32:57 AM
What exactly is going on here, folks? Where does the subjects of rape and abortion come in? We are here commenting on the young Duggar's who have now decided to have a family w/o the benefit of settling into their first year of marriage. We do not have to be "mean" spirited here. I am embarrassed about all the unkind comments being made on this post. Let's try to be a little more considerate of one and other's feelings. We shouldn't be attacking each other.....I don't think the Duggars expect every comment to be positive, but surely not to the point of all this angry jolting back and forth. None of us wishes them (Josh and Anna) any ill will, we are just stating our own opinions here and none of them have been crude. Well, most of them. Let's not turn this into a religious sector and destroy the mood here.
Daniel
April 16th, 2009 - 12:47:50 PM
Del - This kind of B.S., petty attacks, arguments, sniping, yadda - yadda - yadda, ( & oh yes, BIG digressions ! ) are why I opted out of asking for updates whenever someone added a new post. It went from a mostly rational discussion about the Duggars & their large family, the Quiverfull people to a LOT of visceral mutual Liberal - & - Conservative Christian - bashing & mud - slinging on a personal level. I got tired of that many posts ago, but I come back occasionally. I'm just glad you aren't actually meeting physically or there'd probably be more than a few blackened eyes & broken jaws !! Am I kidding ? I hope so !!
Daniel
April 17th, 2009 - 3:29:08 PM
I'm also surprised at Diane. Her intolerance for other people's POV is something that gives Christians a bad name & rep. Diane = Derived from Diana also a Greek goddess of the hunt, related to Athena. You should change your name to something more respectable & " Christian ", like Miriam, or perhaps Teresa. That's as close to mud - slinging & personal attacks as I'll get. Get over yourself.
Ashley
April 17th, 2009 - 4:44:00 PM
Ok this comment is for the Sarah chick who said the abortion comment. Shut your fucking mouth. Aborting an innocent child while in the womb is murder. If you make the choice to spread your legs and lay down with any guy that's moving, then you take responsibility for the possible consequences of pregnancy. If you don't want a child right now, then fucking use condoms and don't put yourself in that situation. Or don't have sex at all. Yea the pull out method is really gonna keep you from conceiving *rolls eyes*. Is it such an extraordinary thing to be careful? Didn't think so. Ok now for the Duggar family. I personally wouldn't want 18 kids, and live the kind of lifestyle they do, but how they choose to live is their decision. If they want to continue to think that they are making a positive impact in our society, then let them do it. They don't cause any harm, they have no debt, they take care of themselves and their children, so why bitch about it? If you're so bothered by them then don't watch their show, don't go on the comment boards and complain about the way they live their lives, plain and simple. The Duggars are just trying to give their children positive values. I'm not religious, but leave these people alone. They're trying to make it like all the rest of us. Yea they have money but it's honest money and they worked hard for it. And it's not everyday that you come across a family with 18 kids (and counting) with the beliefs they have.
amanda
April 18th, 2009 - 10:27:06 PM
wow! this is insane...I don't take any sides, but it was fun reading this whole thing.
Melissa
April 19th, 2009 - 12:32:44 PM
I am sorry that there are people out there that think all abortions are wrong. Yes abortion as a form of birth control is wrong..I do agree there. I was raped at knife point by my uncle when I was 14 years old and happened to get pregnant . Yes my parents took me to have an abortion. It was done when egg was only 5 weeks. I dont care who thinks I am dirty or that I dont beleive in God because of what we did. I am still in counsling because of everything that happend and that was 15 years ago. It isnt up until a few years ago that I even could tell this story. I couldnt have gone through life knowing that this child was conceived not only from being raped but by my uncle. I could look at or trust a man for quite some time. But luckly I found a man that understood and accepted me. We have been married for 5 years and have 2 beautiful little boys.
Benjamin
April 19th, 2009 - 2:48:26 PM
Hello, I know this is off topic from the Duggars but I felt the need to add my two cents to Melissa and Sarahs struggle with survival of rape and pregnancy. My sister was raped by a family member when she was 16. Same story. I will never forget her nightmare as she tried to deal with not only the attack but also the fact that she had gotten pregnant from it. If it had not been for the ability to have an early abortion I am certain my sister would not be alive today. I think it is extremely sad that some of the people who have posted here have so little compassion when they have obviously never walked in these womens shoes. To this day my sister is still coming to terms with what happened to her. I cannot imagine her trying to deal with being pregnant as a child, especially with a baby that was conceived during a rape. Melissa I am happy for you that you have gone on to have a family. i hope my sister can one day get there too. Ben
Ashley
April 22nd, 2009 - 12:30:42 PM
I didn't mean that all abortion was bad. I meant it as a form of birth control. If a woman is raped by someone and she ends up pregnancy, than yes she should get an abortion. I should have been more clear about that. I am sorry to hear about Melissa's struggle. I've been the victim of rape several times, although pregnancy didn't occur from it, but I know exactly where she's coming from.
michael a.
April 22nd, 2009 - 7:16:38 PM
conservative?!?not in numbers though...so let's see, they are conservative christians, and josh-n-anna haven't kissed yet, they are getting married, but she is PREGNANT already? i don't understand...did i miss something? plus hand-outs from everyone and their cousin, t.v. celebrity-dom, the whole nine yards? glorifying mass pregnancy to all the youngsters? glorifying being barefoot-n-pregnant for twenty years? she hasn't even kissed him...getting married at 20...it's o.k., cuz they are all television personalities now.....this world is currently ruled by dark forces, that's why everyone is eating them up...this truly is a lost world....
mike
April 22nd, 2009 - 7:48:28 PM
we're gettin married! the whole town gets to come to the wedding! and you get to be on national television, too !! oh, and god birth control here for a reason . . . these are end times...and WOE to those mothers with babies at the breast...
Blessed Mom
April 25th, 2009 - 4:42:30 PM
In the case of RAPE....If you want to execute someone ? Execute the RAPEST !!
Blessed Mom
April 25th, 2009 - 4:59:46 PM
Del, So your definition of "being in the real world" is "dating" I can assure you one can very much live in the real world without having to "try out" different people. One can enter a marriage with a clean and pure heart and experience many first with that one person. What a wonderful blessing to both of them to know they had enough self-control to wait on that one special person. If it is not for you, then by all means do not seek that for yourself. But for those who do, leave them be, let them enjoy the life they have planned for themselves. :-)
Blessed Mom
April 25th, 2009 - 5:07:39 PM
Daniel, I can assure you Quiverful IS NOT aimed at white Christians. I know many black families that are quiverful .
Daniel
April 25th, 2009 - 6:29:00 PM
Blessed Mom - O.K., I stand corrected ! I got some of my info from Wikipedia, which changes every other DAY, & from the Huffington Post, among other sources. You obviously came here after there was much wailing & gnasching of teeth & MANY personal verbal attacks. Hence my absence for long periods of time from here. However, the idea of raising children to be an " Army for God " doesn't sound quite right, what if they want to do other things when they get older ? Also raising children together with very little privacy - Things can happen when they grow up & get curious. That's disquieting.
concerned one
April 26th, 2009 - 10:40:34 AM
Get off your high horses and either be happy for the newly married couple or be mad - but dont let your anger ruin his moment for this newly wedded couple. To tell the truth here, it's really NONE of OUR business how they choose to live, they arent asking us for a cent. Some of you really need to get a life and stop butting in eveyone else's. Things you say and do afect the way others fee and react to things.
stop with the birth control stuff
April 26th, 2009 - 2:37:30 PM
They dont use birth control because between Josh and the twins(Jana and John David) they lost one of there babies from birth control, and they can handol all of those kids and Jim Bob has a very good job, so stop your naging
Blessed Mom
April 26th, 2009 - 5:57:06 PM
Daniel, If "things" happen when they get older and get "curious" as you put it...then someone did not do their job properly. Children do not get "curious" about their siblings when not neglected by their parents teachings. Children who do such things to their siblings are lacking in many areas of their lives. Makes me wonder if you have children and what goes on in your home?? Did something happen when you were growing up to give you the impression that it is the norm in all homes ??
Daniel
April 26th, 2009 - 9:42:14 PM
Blessed Mom - Okay, this was just conjecture. My family was very small, nothing crazy went on there. " Relatively " normal. When some children are raised packed together like SARDINES, it would seem like a recipe for disaster. Maybe my mind is just in the gutter, or prone to conjure up Worst Case Scenarios, but packing 18 - 19 kids together can't be good. I REALLY hope they have their own rooms to prevent this.
Blessed Mom
April 27th, 2009 - 12:35:05 AM
As I stated .... Children who are taught properly do not have a "curiosity" of sexual nature towards their siblings. It takes much time to teach children right from wrong. Sending them away for someone else to raise daily does not get the job done.
Ashleigh
April 27th, 2009 - 8:02:18 AM
Ok... Now im glad these people are havin a baby..I mean its a beautiful thing let them do what they want to do.. And about the abortion thing.. Im so against it with any reason.. No matter if its rape or just cause you want to do it. Yeah yeah i understand if you get raped you dont wanna keep your baby..But who says keep it..At least have the baby and give it a good home i mean dont end a innocent life.. But if you do it just because then thats shit because if you didnt want to have a baby in the first place you should use a condom..Or better yet not open the legs =]
Daniel
April 27th, 2009 - 11:30:06 PM
Just wanted to say - Contributors to this blog are being decidedly more civil to one another NOW than they were earlier. No flameing / flame - wars, personal attacks, no Conservative - Christian - or Liberal - bashing or baiting, at least I haven't seen any. This is good. If the tone had remained like this, I wouldn't have gotten so ruddy tired of it earlier. Congrats all around !!!! Daniel
confusion
April 29th, 2009 - 10:04:45 AM
To blessed mom, I do not understand people like you who say they are pro life and then want to execute a rapist. I also thought the killing animals angle mentioned above was interesting. In my bible it says thou shalt not kill. I can't find anywhere where it says its okay to kill rapists and animals. But I would love to be educated. Can you point me to a Bible verse that says it is okay to kill rapists and animals? I am a fence sitter on abortion and am always curious how people arrive at their hard and fast opinions on the subject.
concerned one
April 29th, 2009 - 4:47:31 PM
What exactly happened to this forum? This is what happens when people dont have enough to do, they begin playing God and telling others how they should live thier lives. NEWS FLASH: There is only one GOD and he would not have planted the seed for this younglady to become pregnant if he hadnt intended for them to have a chld and for it to be at this exact moment in time. I pray that you people who preach non-religion will come to know the same Lord that I know and accet him into your life before it is too late.,
Daniel
April 30th, 2009 - 1:00:20 AM
Concerned one - Yep, too many people with a LOTTA time on their hands. This is why talk shows like Jerry Springer & reality shows do so well..... I'm a Christian, albeit something of a liberal one, & I REALLY hope that I haven't been telling people what to do or what to believe, nor passing judgement on anybody. I fear this forum is starting to become a battleground where people are going to start attacking each other for their beliefs or the lack thereof, bashing each other, & getting up on their high horses again. _____________________________________________________ NOW - As far as the Duggar family - Remember them ? - is concerned, I don't agree with their reasons for raising so MANY little bambinos, I personally don't think it's right to breed kids specifically for a religious / moral army, so that they can enforce legislation by sheer dint of numbers, punish the " heathen " & immoral, etc., ( W / if all the kids don't want to be members of such a religious " army " ? ) but I wish them well.
Blessed Mom
April 30th, 2009 - 9:31:55 PM
To Confusion : I did not say I WANTED to execute anyone. I said ...If you want to execute someone ...execute the rapest. The difference is one is guilty of a crime, one is not. One should be punished one should not. The unborn child should not be punished by taking away its life. Exodus 21:22-25 KJV If men strive , and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished,according as the woman's husband will lay upon him;and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound stripe for stripe. So yes the bible does state killing is just for punishment. As for my arrival on my decision to be pro-life...I came to that conclusion long BEFORE I became a Christian. It never set well with my soul that one should kill the unborn for ANY reason.
Blessed Mom
April 30th, 2009 - 9:39:02 PM
As for the Duggars and their choice to have a large family. Quiverful does not teach or preach to have a large family. Just to put it in God's hands as to their family size...ones quiverful could be 1 child or 20. It is all about trusting God and allowing him to give as many gifts as he wants to and to love and accept each one of them. I have seen people believe that God "gave them a new car", I wonder how many who believe that would turn it away. How many would say...no God I think I have enough cars..I do not NEED another one. As long as we are talking material things one does not turn away those gifts, but when we talk about children...well we have to control that...God could not possibly do that for us.
Daniel
April 30th, 2009 - 11:47:31 PM
If the Duggar kids are given the opportunity to choose whether they want to serve God with their lives, & take a stand for what they're taught about righteousness as they grow up, well & good. If they are force - fed religious dogma as soon as they can understand it, & made to feel like they have no choice but to be soldiers for God or else, not so good. We are NOT supposed to be religious drones or force our children to be same. People can serve God without being priests, ministers, monks, Mother Superiors, etc. I try to serve God in my own way when possible, & let my actions preach.
RG
May 6th, 2009 - 9:52:16 AM
For those of you who don't like the Duggar's, you sure put a whole lot of time & thought into them. Ha ha! That's great =) Keep obsessing over them instead of moving on to the things in life that you actuall enjoy (if anything)!
Daniel
May 6th, 2009 - 10:37:20 AM
RG: That's the most rational thing I've heard in many moons !! Some of us DO need to GET A LIFE !! I left this discussion when some of the monkeys began really flinging their poo at each other..... ;-) Only came back once in a while to see who was still rattling the cage.
Jessica
May 6th, 2009 - 1:53:53 PM
I am inspired by this family and the way they live their lives solely for God. These are wonderful people who love and care for thier children properly and arent in any debt what so ever. Each of thier children is a blessing that God allowed. I believe this family does a lot of good and has inspired many people religously. It is horrible to think how close minded people can be and how quick to judge.
Daniel
May 7th, 2009 - 11:26:48 AM
On the bright side, they could start a baseball team - Or a singing or theatre troupe. ;-) A concern would be that when she hits age 40 or 50, Anna's uterus will implode ! Quiverfull encourages indiscriminate, lemming like breeding. Maybe this would be a plus if we faced a future like in the dystopian movie " Children of Men* "( * A world where there are no people under the age of 40, & people are unable to reproduce. ), or a scenario like the re - imagined version of the series " Battlestar Galactica " where President Laura Roslin encourages the Colonial human survivors to have babies - Even though they're in close quarters in cramped spaceships.
Blessed Mom
May 8th, 2009 - 11:28:17 AM
Daniel I find it amusing that you are so concerned with Michele as well as Anna's Uteri. I am certain you are not an OB/GYN. (the comments about an imploding uterus..no OG/GYN would say that) anyone with ANY knowledge of the human body knows that to be untrue. As to one of your other comments something to the affect of "having room to twirl a cane" I can assure you it does not work that way. It is ok, your intelligence level is showing. Keep the comments coming.
Heidi
May 8th, 2009 - 12:23:24 PM
Wow. I am SHOCKED at some of the awful comments I've read here. Whether or not having 18 kids is a good idea, comments like "It’s a vagina, not a clown car. This entire family need to be taken in for sterilization immediately. Yes, include the kids cause you know the so-called-parents brainwashed them into thinking this sort of this is ok when it’s just sick" are just over the line. Saying that the children should be sterilized is horrible. That's in-line with Hitler Nazi thinking. Just awful. Some people should be ashamed of themselves.
Katie
May 8th, 2009 - 12:24:07 PM
I just wanted to add my two cents here: Generally speaking, I find the Duggar's interesting to watch. The problem I has with Josh and Anna is their relationship before marriage. While their parents intentions may be 'pure', I think by 'courting' they feel that they are 'getting to know the other person' instead of focusing on sex. But I feel like not being able to express ones self physically before marriage masks reality. When Anna mentioned something to the extent of "I'm learning so much about my husband" I felt like saying... "Well if you weren't too busy having sex with your hands, you could have been having a real conversation...." Historically, couples had large familys for several different reasons: to help with the farm or family business, lack of birth control, the list goes on... But in today's society there really is no need for so many children. However, with that being said, we do live in America where we have the freedom to make those sort of decisions for ourselves. The same thing applies to abortion; I do not personally believe in it. However, I can only image the life and/or world some children would be thrown into having been born! Is it fair for a child to be born into a bad environment with abusive parents, for instance? Some of you are very admient about how abortion is awful and whatnot, and the children don't have a voice.. etc... Can you please give me a rational explanation as to why we continue to euthanize pets and stray animals on a daily basis? (Overpopulation perhaps?) So why does that make it OKAY and JUST?
Blessed Mom
May 10th, 2009 - 12:37:59 PM
You are equating the life of a cat or dog to a human life ? Abuse is a choice. One can chose to not abuse the fact that they chose to do so does not mean that child should have died to prevent the abuse. I do not see any rationality in that thinking. "Having sex with your hands" surely you are not serious ? One does not have to 'try it out" before they get married . We are not talking about a car...we are talking about a human being...correct ? How does one not having sex mask reality ? Seems to me doing it being before marriage mask reality. The reality that that person will be in your mind for the rest of your life. Sex is not forgotten. It is the giving of your heart. I refuse to tell my children it is ok to give your heart to many different people. As for the "need" for so many children... I do not see them as a need, I see them as a gift from God. God gives and we accept. Wonder how many would tell God...no I do not need another car, thanks, but no thanks.
Daniel
May 10th, 2009 - 3:46:46 PM
I see a tempest in a teapot a - brewin' again on here. I'll come back maybe in a week. That RG guy was / is right - Too many people with nothing better to do. I'm trying to make the lives of my " nephews " & 1 severly - disabled " niece " ( Actually younger cousins, but they call me " Uncle " ) a LITTLE better by making provisions for them after I leave this world, & maybe BEFORE I die. Those children are TRULY gifts & blessings from God, & my cousin didn't see the need to have a dozen children & counting either. Anywho ---- Stop the personal attacks & petty bickering already !! & maybe try to find a way to improve your little corner of the world. Not trying to preach..... Really.
Daniel
May 10th, 2009 - 3:53:49 PM
& someone on the FARK website made a very good remark about 'em: Slightly paraphrased - Having that many siblings would kill any urge to have any crotchfruit of their ( the siblings ) own.
Blessed Mom
May 10th, 2009 - 9:23:28 PM
Well Daniel seems you are wrong again. My oldest child already has 2 children of her own...2 years and 5 months. I am not only a blessed mom, but a blessed Grandma too. Oh yeah btw...I have 10 children.
Daniel
May 11th, 2009 - 12:48:17 AM
Blessed Mom - I'm happy for you, then. I'm only an honorary " uncle ", but I would do anything for my " nephews " & " niece ". Hmmm..... Explain exactly how I am " wrong again " & why. Please elucidate. I've done my best to stay away from " flaming " anyone on here, even Diane, who was on her high - horse about what a super - Christian she was, & dissing everyone who didn't believe as she did.
Diane
May 11th, 2009 - 10:18:35 AM
I am so sorry to two people on this blog were raped. This is a horrible tragedgy. However, what I don't understand is why the innocent life of a baby is persecuted by this unthinkable act. The rapist is the one who should suffer, not an innocent life. Even at 5 weeks old, it's still a life. This is a justification for having an abortion.
Blessed Mom
May 11th, 2009 - 10:24:55 AM
Daniel You are wrong about your comment...Having that many siblings would kill any urge to have any crotchfruit of their ( the siblings ) own. Thats is one thing you have been wrong about. An imploding uterus was another. How many examples would you like ?
Daniel
May 12th, 2009 - 12:42:44 AM
Blessed Mom - I think if I had grown up in a jumbo mega - family, I just wouldn't want to bring a large family of my own into the world. Besides, the world just can't support that MANY people anymore, we're in an era of diminishing resources, reliance on fossil fuels, usable, untainted land to raise crops on. North America just can't support that many people anymore. Back in the pioneer / frontier days, having a huge family was a must, NOW it can be a liability & a drain on resources. Hence the need to recycle & develop sustainable resources & technologies. We can't afford to keep breeding like rabbits & fouling our nest - figuratively speaking. God gave us dominion over the land & resources therein, but he didn't tell us to destroy forests & pollute what we have. China had to cut back because they had a population problem, starting a 1 - child only policy AND they're one of the most polluted countries on Earth. Because they are a Communist country / police state, they can enforce the reproductive policy. We don't want to get to the point where we have to legislate mandatory birth - control or even abortions if a family has more than 1 child, do we ? That goes against what America's about. Nor is having religious values, be they Christian or other, imposed on others just because one group is in the Majority. Some folks seem to think that. & PLEASE, Don't tell me that America is a Christian nation, either. Our Founding Fathers were Deists - Believing in A concept of God, but not necessarily THE Judaeo - Christian concept of God. Even my MS Lutheran pastor said that when I was in Catechism class.
Haley
May 12th, 2009 - 8:32:28 PM
I have to say I've met the Duggars and even babysat on one of his failed campaigns. I do have to say that while I would never want to have so many kids they are more than welcome to have as many as they want, but I think it is wrong to raise your children to get used to being on television. They brag about how a tv truck is a normal sight at their house which goes against their view on keeping their kids sheltered. They go on tv every time they get pregnant, like the whole world cares. It's more of a joke than anything. They should get off television and spend time with their kids instead of having the older ones teach the younger so she can get pregnant again.
Daniel
May 13th, 2009 - 12:25:58 AM
Haley: It's kind of like " The Truman Show ', but they KNOW that the cameras are there, & there are no sets or video loops. Another bad thing is that those kids are going to be too busy taking care of their younger siblings to consider going to college & getting a higher education. Oh well, plenty of jobs to be found at Wal - Mart, Sam's Club, KFC, McDonald's, etc. Their individual futures will be sacrificed to the greater good of this theatre - troupe. I wonder, can they even take trips / vacations except for family business ?
kim
May 13th, 2009 - 8:09:43 PM
Has anyone else noticed that Anna wears her hair the same way every fricken day! The top pulled back with a crap load of gel! ugh, horrible!
Daniel
May 15th, 2009 - 4:32:21 PM
Someone should notify Kristov / Kristoff !!!! ( Truman Show reference...... )
Kevin P.
May 18th, 2009 - 6:25:25 PM
When I read posts like "Blessed Moms" I am reminded of how blessed I am to no longer be a part of Christianity. BM you and the other woman on this forum are two of the harshest "judges" I have ever seen but it does not surprise me because that has been my experience with Christianity ever since I was young. A bunch of hypocrites who think their way is the only way. So caught up in being "right" that you've lost the thread of the teachings of Christ altogether. Smug and arrogant. That sums up your religion. I am glad that I finally see that religion for what it really is. After enjoying all of the spirited postings on abortion I do have one question and that is this. Have you ever offered to adopt the baby of a woman who had been raped by a relative? Also have you ever been raped by a relative and had the joy of giving birth to the baby of your brother or father? Do you ever think about these things or do you just sit in judgement of other peoples' tragedies and the way they CHOOSE to deal with them? Kevin in NYC
Dana
May 18th, 2009 - 9:01:35 PM
First of all, Diane-- You are absolutely, one-hundred percent out of your mind (!) for thinking that a rape victim should be expected to keep, let alone want to keep, a child that resulted from the rape. You, obviously, have never been raped. It is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Women who do so do not "move on" more quickly and easily, they typically tear themselves up inside. And, for medical proof, this kind of trauma causes the body to stress which creates an acidic enviornment which will likely abort the fetus or alter its functionability, and create more life-threatening issues (such as pre-eclampsia, hemhorrage, and post-partum depression and thyroid issues) for the mother. No, as a victim, keeping that child would likely kill a woman. As to the rest of you, I have never once heard of this family claiming to "take over the world", and they are raising decent people. No one questions your family ethics, so what gives you the right to challenge theirs? They are not relying on you to support them, they have made wise investments. Stop hating them, the people, and dislike what they are doing. No one forces you to have children, so why can you force them not to.
teri
May 19th, 2009 - 9:30:59 AM
I think that the family has the right to do whatever they want. It sucks that all these people who are bashing the family have nothing better to do with there time. GO OUT AND HELP OTHER PEOPLE insted of wasting your life on the computer and eating all day. That is why 1/3 of our children are overweight, they watch there fat parents on the computer all day and watching tv. I don't think I see one overweight person on that show. And what's with the foul language. We should all learn from a great family. They are not on welfar and they support themselves. Her Uterus is hers and hers alone. No one tells you what to do with yours and neither should you. I would love if my children grew up with half the morals that the family has. Enough Bashing You all should let them be. I think you all should worry about more important things and not judge.
Daniel
May 19th, 2009 - 3:50:00 PM
Kevin P.: I've tried not to take sides or get anyone hacked off at me, but I agree with you. Fanatically religious people like to make assumptions & sit in judgement over other people, & they forget that the man who set forth Christian principles once said " Judge not, lest you be judged ". They tend to think that the Lord has appointed them to pass judgement on people who aren't in strict accord with them. & Teri ( teri ? ) - you're right. We ALL NEED to get away from our televisions, computers, unhook from our iPods & Blackberry's, & find ways to help other people. I have recently relocated to another town, & I owe a LOT of good people - some friends, some family - & I've been thinking about ways to pay them back. Or PAY IT FORWARD.
Daniel
May 19th, 2009 - 3:58:29 PM
Kevin P: & I go further, then I'll stop bashing the ultra - religious..... Simply put - ( & I know this is going to come back to bite me on the butt... ) Some people of the ultra - religious type think that they are HOLIER THAN JESUS Himself !!! There, 'nuff said.....
Elissa
May 19th, 2009 - 5:26:36 PM
Does anyone on here actually understand what the quiverfull movement is? It's not having a boatload of children. It's having the number of children God blesses you with. Whether it's one or eighteen.
Blessed Mom
May 19th, 2009 - 8:12:21 PM
To Elissa I posted this on April 30, 2009... As for the Duggars and their choice to have a large family. Quiverful does not teach or preach to have a large family. Just to put it in God’s hands as to their family size…ones quiverful could be 1 child or 20. It is all about trusting God and allowing him to give as many gifts as he wants to and to love and accept each one of them.
Blessed Mom
May 19th, 2009 - 8:23:14 PM
Kevin "Harsh Judges"...really ? So killing an innocent child just simply because it was conceived at the WRONG time or HOW it was conceived is not issuing a JUDGEMENT on that unborn baby? I know exactly what the teachings of Christ were and ARE...THOU SHALL NOT KILL ! As for the services I offer to those mothers that do not abort, those who have needs for themselves as well as for their babies... Try visiting a local Crisis Pregnancy Center. We help LONG AFTER the baby arrives.
ella
May 26th, 2009 - 11:56:17 AM
Josh and Anna can't wait to find out the sex of their baby. Hummm. They will be using medical technology to find this out. Why is it ok to use medical technology to find out the only true surprise that you get in life and not to use it to prevent pregnancy. If you aren't ready for a child, you shouldn't just forgo b.c. just because of your religious beliefs. There are many reasons for a woman to miscarry. I miscarried 3 times between my pregnancies and no I wasn't on any b.c and we didn't drink or do any drugs & I wasn't under or overweight. Things happen, you just can't finger point to one idea. Things happen for a reason, you just always can't explain it. My husband and I became pregnant when I was 21. I thought we were ready, but it was very difficult. Its been almost 12 years since our last child was born, we have not been on b.c and are still waiting to get pregnant again. I don't bash anyones religion, there is enough hate in the world, I just don't like it when religions bash other religions, life is too short, as long as you are nice to someone and don't harm them, bash one anothers beliefs, what difference does any persons race, sex, religion have to do with it. Either you are a good person or not. Nothing else matters. Note to Josh and Anna though, you might want to take off your ' we are registered' notices on your website, that just is a bit greedy thinking that viewers should send you something. Your registered information should have only been sent to people who were actually invited to your wedding.
Blessed Mom
May 26th, 2009 - 4:58:27 PM
ella I do not recall them saying they did not use BC pills because it is medical technology. They have stated that they CAN cause a miscarriage. Yes, there are many reasons a miscarriage can accure, but when one knows that a certain thing CAN cause it, would it not be strange to continue to do what you know CAN cause what you are wanting to avoid ? They do not WANT to prevent pregnancy. I am sure that is a foreign concept to many, but it is what THEY want. I have yet to see the Duggars "bash" anyone for anything.
Rebecca T, From Minnesota
May 28th, 2009 - 6:17:54 PM
GOD gives us everything we have and desire, as far as "welfare mom's: the duggars owns commercial properties that they rent out and that is how they make there ends meet. I don't believe they are on any time of assistance. The majority of posters on here tend to have something negative to say because they are "Not a typical family", what is a typical family? Would it make a difference if J-B and M had only 4-5 kids and the others were extended relatives? What makes them so bad? I am a mother to three kids and I admit I get medical assistance, but the Duggars do not rely on the welfare system, they rely on their faith and God to provide what they need. So stop bashing this incredible amazing family because you are jealous they have what they have, and nice things at that, and you don't.
Jean
May 29th, 2009 - 2:57:09 PM
I think it is cute that they are expecting, but I think they should not have too many children. Considering that they are so young to be parents, they should wait and dote on the children they have(or the one they will have)before taking up parenting..again,or multiple times if they decide. It's not just God that should give them kids. They need to realize that having sex,means babies,which means they need to rethink their lives and home structure. But they are a beautiful couple,and I'm sure they aren't too Christianized to realize they shouldnt make a million babies.
laine
June 1st, 2009 - 12:09:36 PM
How come every state in America doesn’t come up with laws on kids on ‘reality tv’ shows. Any of these kids are not signing up for this, its the parents on any of the ‘reality shows’. If it wasn’t for the duggers pension WITH BENEFITS from him being in office, how would they really pay for all the dentists vists, the doctors visits, all those deliveries at the hospital. From what I have seen, hasn’t the real estate market in America dropped? They can say that is where they get all there money from. Did they forget to mention all the $$$ they get for doing the show? They seem to pass on that one. TLC should maybe get involved in some other kind of programming. No family should be able to exploite their underage kids like any of them do. I hope that both Josh and Anna actually received a college degree and not think that they can make their main $$$ by doing another tlc show.
Blessed Mom
June 1st, 2009 - 7:24:41 PM
laine Did you know that one does nothave to sell real estate in order to make money in real estate. Have you not heard of rental property? If you TRULY want to know how this family functions...read their book. They answer the questions you just asked and many more. They had 14 children long BEFORE they started the show on TLC. This family is quiet different from Jon and Kate and many of the other reality family TV shows. If you will notice this family uses their show as a ministry... No different than a family that sings and travels together. As for a college degree, one does not have to have a degree to be successful. Josh owns his own used car lot with his younger brother. How many people do you know that have been able to apprentice with their father and become successfully business minded by the age of 18 ?
Jessica
June 3rd, 2009 - 4:04:29 PM
What is it with all of you putting this family down? They love and care for each of their children...who are you to say that they are wrong for having so many kids? The children are all cared for and taught to love God. There is nothing wrong with what they are doing.
alli
June 3rd, 2009 - 11:57:28 PM
Yes, people have rental property, but really how many businesses that are for rent are empty. I see how this family functions, the older kids look after the younger ones. Yes this does happen with other families, but sorry, other families are not on tv saying have as many as you want. Why are other parents who seek out fertility treatments bad because they are having several kids at once when someone who has had 18 kids someone that is put upon a pedestel. Other people have their faith as well, some people are not as fortunate as to deliver a class room worth of kids without medical help. A used car salesman, sorry but how many dealerships are closing down in Canada and in the US both new and used? I started my own business of a very successful wedding retail shop at the age of 18 (I am now 40) I didn't have a loan or help from family, I saved and put in money back into my business. My daughter has just graduated at the age of 16 and she will be going to university in the fall getting a degree even though she has learned from me how to become business minded. Yes, you don't require higher education, but you are not really helping your kids if you don't set them up to take care of themselves for as stable of a future as they can. Actually I also believe that any child that is under a certain age should not be in any type reality show, the duggers may seem to be different than other families, but as with the other tlc shows, that is what they want us to see. There is nothing wrong with any of the families on tlc, but there should be laws against young children on camera for reality tv. They don't have a say in anything. Honestly, is any of the kids on the reality tv shows actually going to be happy later on in life with the fact their parents signed them up for this? The question isn't if any of the reality show families are bad people, they do love and care for their kids, but they should really be thinking about their well being, afterall, how many other kid tv stars from years past ended up in bad circumstances and it didn't matter that they had great parents.
Blessed Mom
June 4th, 2009 - 7:57:44 PM
Contrary to what you think. Rental property is a very profitable business. Commercial is much more profitable on a smaller scale than residential. I think you are focusing on too many... what ifs. Fact is they are doing just fine without other peoples input and I am sure they will continue as they seek God's will daily. As for the children, last time I checked a parent does not ask the child how they should be raised. As for the Duggar children's well being...seems they are doing just fine, seems they are well disciplined, taken care of, loved and are being taught how to function as adults rather than being the perpetual child. The children are far from "tv stars". They are not neglected and left to raise themselves.
sami
June 4th, 2009 - 9:09:49 PM
hmm.. don't know about you, but in my state, the rental properties have a VACANCY of 90%. No, its not more profitable than residential, I should know, my father owns a real estate firm. I believe the WHOLE purpose is that NO child underage should be put on tv no matter how god loving the family is. People can blame jon and kate, but its every reality show that should take a 'reality' check. AFter all, I am the youngest of 12 kids and yes we grew up fine, but we didnt have the tv cameras on us, and yes I am a christian and go to church every week. I am not knocking anybody but no child should be put on tv for $$$, and that goes to all of the reality tv shows.
Blessed Mom
June 5th, 2009 - 1:13:32 PM
sami My husband is in real estate, as well as our oldest 2 sons and my father in law. Commercial Property is MORE profitable than residential. Thats is a fact. I am not talking just simply for $$ to rent, this is based on long term. It is cheaper up keep, more times than not residential has many repair issues when tenants move out. The up-keep of residential can be very costly compared to commercial as we own a property maintenance service, I know what we are called in to do and on what types of property. This is just some of the issues however, I am not here to give you a lesson in Property ownership, nor am I here to discuss your religion or your frequency of church going. The point is the Duggar Family was doing fine BEFORE they were on television. They decided many years ago to be debt free and achieved that long before their television appearance. As to how they decide to raise their children...that is their business and no one else. I ahve yet to see parents turn out perfect children and I would say until that is accomplished no one has the right to tell others how to raise their children and of course this includes the government. One only needs to look at the public school system to see the evidence of this.
Dana
June 5th, 2009 - 5:59:18 PM
Ok, so to all who quite obviously have ZERO clue about the Catholic church, let me help you: it was NOT established by Christ, as he was JEWISH the Pope HAS NEVER said that condoms cause the spread of STDs. In addition, you need to read up on the Catholic Church a little more concerning birth control. I am VERY Catholic, and guess what? I TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! Not for its intended purpose, but for medical reasons. So stop spouting things you don't know about. By the way, did you know that the Catholic Church bought one of the largest Birth Control Manufacturing Companies in the late 1970s? Yes, they did. Also, birth control pills DO NOT in any way, shape, or form cause abortion. Acidic uteran enviornments do, which, when the body is under stress, is aggravated. If you take the birth control pill correctly, as perscribed, it WILL NOT cause an abortion. That is a whole other drug, used for chemotherapy, and is not administered in pill form.
Blessed Mom
June 5th, 2009 - 8:12:46 PM
Dana You really need to read the "side effects" of the birth control pill. They CAN cause miscarriages.
rebecca
June 5th, 2009 - 10:23:59 PM
Well i wanted to say how much i love the show . I grew up going to a baptist church . I cant say i understood all of what i was taught , but now i have my own personal relationship with god . I dont go to church now . I have never went to a church that made me feel welcomed . It always felt like a popularity contest , but i belive god understands me , and thats all that matters . The duggars are awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I look foward to watchin more and learning too . I'm 30 yrs old and still dont know where i'm going in life . With my faith i have no worrys . Keep on keeping on !!!!!! BEST WISHES
Blessed Mom
June 6th, 2009 - 2:23:09 PM
It always felt like a popularity contest , but i belive god understands me , and thats all that matters . The duggars are awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I look foward to watchin more and learning too. With my faith i have no worrys. I could not agree with you more :-)
Mandi K.
June 7th, 2009 - 3:21:27 AM
"The world is increasing in population but with the advancements in science, we are going to come up with a way to feed the growing population. Think about it, thousands of years ago the population was way less than it is now and we have adapted so please stop bashing" Yeah.....sure we'll come up with a way to feed an overpopulated planet. Have you ever seen Soylent Green?
KL
June 9th, 2009 - 9:32:52 AM
I like the Duggars' show because they are one of society's extremists. But I do think Michelle should stop having children before she runs into complications. Increased maternal age greatly increases the chance of having a child with autism or another serious health concern.
EF
June 9th, 2009 - 10:55:24 PM
Sorry, no parent should have the right to put their children on tv for $$$. Give it a rest, no one hates the duggars, jon & kate, etc , the issue is that no one should make a profit on their kids. There should be laws in ALL states for all children under age for 'reality shows'. Give it a rest. Yes its great that they are expecting. give it a rest.
Audrey
June 10th, 2009 - 9:25:24 AM
I watch the Show and just learned on last night's show that Josh and Anna are expecting. That's no surprise. Of course they will procreate until they are no longer to procreate. Duh.. It is a Free Country right? Not even mentally challenged people are told (anymore) not to have kids. Come on people, you are allowed to procreate if you want right??? Leave 'em alone. They are loving people and Josh has a good job (so what they're on tv - everyone is these days right?) Audrey, Toronto, Ontario Canada
Dana
June 10th, 2009 - 8:57:02 PM
Blessed Mom-- Considering that I am a PHARMACIST I don't think that I need to read up on the side effects. You need to stop blaming modern medicine for the choices people have the RIGHT to make, even if they go against your PERSONAL belief system.
Illiana
June 14th, 2009 - 11:50:06 AM
Ok so im just going to throw this out there, i bet the same people that are against the Duggar's are also the same people that like the exercise there freedom and rights given to them by all the amendments right? Ok well then freaking let the Duggar's do the same. They are living their life the way they think is right, you live yours the way you think is right and we will see how it all ends, but unless you want to be judged on your lifestyle as well, shut up about theirs.
Winkasetti
June 15th, 2009 - 10:25:19 AM
America is such a hateful country...always complaining! Not happy if someone doesn't have children, bitching if someone has children and is on welfare, and spitting on people who can AFFORD them in any number...judge yourself and SHUT UP. These people don't hurt YOU in the least...in fact, there are plenty of people who have 10+ children that don't affect you at all. What IS your problem?
sdtangler
June 15th, 2009 - 10:53:30 AM
Winkasetti - I'll tell you what MY problem with the Duggars is. Our planet has a finite limit of life that can be supported. There are currently 7 billion of us on our planet right now. Many scientists believe that the break point for starvation and escalating wars for diminishing resources begins as the Earth's population exceeds 11 billion people. So, if every person on the planet has two kids, we're in trouble. In this context, doesn't it seem a bit selfish to have as many kids as you can afford? It doesn't sound very Christian to tell the poor folks around the world to that you're taking more than your share becuase you can afford it.
Daniel
June 18th, 2009 - 1:13:22 AM
sdtangler: That's - ALMOST - exactly what I said about a month ago in one of my replies. Our fuel resources, arable land, & many other resources are at a minimum. Factor in climate change & other variables, & it seems like pushing out litters of children is not as much of a viable option as it was when America ( Just an example ) was a large unexplored pioneer with plenty of forests & shorelines & prairies, & many hands were needed to harvest crops, raise barns & such ( & infant mortality was high & people in their 40's were considered " old ". ). Don't tell these self - righteous type folk how to be " Christian ". You're wasting your words, & they're too busy staying up on their high horses or looking at the unwashed pagan masses from their ivory towers, & acting holier than Jesus. Their self - rihteous attitudes are one reason I don't post on here very much. As to the Duggars, if they're determined to breed, they're going to breed kids to be " soldiers for God ", etc., no matter what a few groups of people may say, pro or con.
ig08
June 19th, 2009 - 7:07:40 AM
Daniel, Have you ever seen the movie "Idiocracy"? If you haven't, I think you would find it entertaining...(albeit stupid, but give it a try...) As for birth control pills, there is no scientific evidence to suggest that birth control pills cause miscarriage; In fact, quite the opposite is reported if you do your research. (http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/hrep/abstract.00004683-200210000-00042.htm;jsessionid=K7YHRLS28Sbg1FmCdhJ224r0DfTVkqmnJvt2X42CkPVf22Ql67Y8!-514211921!181195628!8091!-1) (http://miscarriage.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=miscarriage&cdn=health&tm=16&f=20&tt=12&bt=0&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119877762/abstract) I'm sure as you know, pregnancy while taking birth control pills occurs because women forget to take their dose on time or take medicine to decrease the effect. Miscarriage can occur whether or not your are taking birth control. It just so happened that Michelle Duggar was. Perhaps this was "God's plan"....
ig08
June 19th, 2009 - 7:09:34 AM
The information on birth control pills was directed towards Blessed Mom.
Daniel
June 24th, 2009 - 10:32:54 PM
ig08. Nope, I haven't seen " Idiocracy ", but I think I have an idea what it's about. I'll have to look it on Wikipedia or YouTube. We've had 2 religious types who must think they're speaking for God, & 1 of them said she was " defending " God. Both of them love to point at other people & their mistaken attitudes, " misconceptions " & shortcomings. If I understand correctly, GOD does not NEED DEFENDING !! At least not the one that I believe in. I only say this because religion has played such a heavy role in this discussion. & re.: the birth control info that was intended for Blessed Mom, I may research it anyway, I'm curious about medical stuff.
Blessed Mom
June 25th, 2009 - 9:19:26 AM
To ig08 and Dana AND anyone else who wishes to know FACT You need to refer to the PDR...Physicians Desk Reference. The PDR, as it's often called, lists and explains the effects, benefits, and risks of every medical product that can be legally prescribed. The term "implantation," by definition, always involves an already conceived human being. Therefore, any agent which serves to prevent implantation functions as an abortifacient. This is the PDR's product information for Ortho-Cept, as listed by Ortho, one of the largest manufacturers of the Pill: Combination oral contraceptives act by suppression of gonadotropins. Although the primary mechanism of this action is inhibition of ovulation, other alterations include changes in the cervical mucus, which increase the difficulty of sperm entry into the uterus, and changes in the endometrium which reduce the likelihood of implantation. [6] The FDA-required research information on the birth control pills Ortho-Cyclen and Ortho Tri-Cyclen also state that they cause "changes in...the endometrium (which reduce the likelihood of implantation)." [7] Notice that these changes in the endometrium, and their reduction in the likelihood of implantation, are not stated by the manufacturer as speculative or theoretical effects, but as actual ones. They consider this such a well-established fact that it requires no statement of qualification. In summary, according to multiple references throughout The Physician's Desk Reference, which articulate the research findings of all the birth control pill manufacturers, there are not one but three mechanisms of birth control pills: 1. inhibiting ovulation (the primary mechanism), 2. thickening the cervical mucus, thereby making it more difficult for sperm to travel to the egg, and 3. thinning and shriveling the lining of the uterus to the point that it is unable or less able to facilitate the implantation of the newly fertilized egg. The first two mechanisms are contraceptive. The third is abortive.
Dana
June 25th, 2009 - 11:13:01 PM
Blessed Mom-- I am entirely aware that you will NEVER change your mind, but do you not think I have and read PDRs? I own two! As to the abortive effect of The Pill, it is only abortive if you, in your mind, believe a child can survive while it is still in cell division. Curiously enough, I am sure you are also against stem cell research and banking, so you would throw that away in the imbilical cord. Interesting. THESE ARE THE SAME THINGS. Get over the pill, you are wrong.
Blessed Mom
June 26th, 2009 - 12:37:09 AM
Dana, "Get over the pill, you are wrong" ?? In my previous post...those were not my words.So I guess the PDR is inaccurate. What does banking cord blood have to do with abortion ? As for you being sure I am against "banking" do not be so sure. Why not just ask if you truly want to know ? As for what I believe about when it is a LIFE...I believe it is a LIFE at conception and should be given every opportunity to LIVE. I am not so sure you will not change your mind. I have seen it happen many times. The truth has a way of surfacing. People always have the ability to learn the truth, whether one choses to or not is up to them. Just remember just because YOU refuse to believe the truth does not make it untrue, it only means you deny it. NOTICE.... THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY WE SHOULD NEVER TRUST PHARMACIST 100%... DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF...BE SURE OF WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN YOUR BODY
Dana
June 26th, 2009 - 10:10:14 PM
The PDR is not wrong, however, your comments are. A lot of those words are not verbatum. I looked it up. You are interpreting incorrectly. And look up conception; a crucial part is implentation. So you also have issues with IUI as well? That would be safe to assume Just because you don't believe in it, don't knock it. You don't know what it is, and the many benefits. The birth control pill does not cause abortion, just as guns don't kill people by themselves. Get off your high horse.
Daniel
June 27th, 2009 - 12:34:48 PM
Dana - As I've told others on this discussion forum, when dealing with some types of people, like religious conservatives & other similar types, you're wasting your words, & you might as well try to have a discussion with a brick wall. Or a fossil. Or a grandfather clock. Same difference. Cause ain't NOTHIN' gonna change their minds, regardless of whether it's religion, patriotism or matters pharmacological, they're right & everyone else is WRONG !..... WRONG !..... WRONG ! Oh, & everyone else is ignorant, unwashed godless heathens, too. Oh, did I mention that they're always RIGHT, too ? ;-) :-)
Blessed Mom
June 27th, 2009 - 9:21:33 PM
Dana You might want to remember when TELLING others you are a "pharmacist" it is PRESCRIBED, not perscribed. You might be believable if you learn to use the correct terminology. I never suggested guns kill people no more than I suggested pencils misspell words. I never said it was word for word as to what the PDR states, be more attentive and you would notice I said several times..."in summary".
faye
July 2nd, 2009 - 3:59:13 PM
Blessed Mom, Maybe you should go back to your bible and your 'perfect' life and stop putting down other people for THEIR beliefs. You like to argue when everyone stated THEIR opinion. Seems to me, those who go on and on like you always do, don't have a clue. Get a life.
Blessed Mom
July 3rd, 2009 - 9:51:20 AM
faye I have yet to "put down" anyone. When others "argue" they are simply stating their opinions, when I state MY opinion I am arguing. Interesting analogy...yet typical. Here is a clue for you, on a message board such as this, it generally does go on and on.
Daniel
July 6th, 2009 - 2:03:44 PM
Blessed Mom - You DO seem to think that your beliefs & your opinions are sacrosanct, & that everyone is ignorant & dis-informed or completely ignorant. The evidence is in this forum, evident for all to see. Like I told someone else earlier, " get over yourself ! ", you're not God's appointed authority on EVERYTHING, moral or otherwise...... 'Nuff said.
Blessed Mom
July 7th, 2009 - 8:12:01 AM
Daniel As for my beliefs I do not recall discussing them here. As for my "authority" I do not address an issue I know nothing about yet "claim" to know everything about such as some on this message board...yeah the evidence is there are many that do just that...claim to know much but know very little, comments such as an imploding uterus, etc... As for my authority...I am God's appointed authority on MY FAMILY, I never claimed to be anything or anyone else.
Daniel
July 7th, 2009 - 1:04:35 PM
Blessed Mom - You've been referring to your upright Christian background directly or indirectly since you entered this little coffee klatsch. & you question everyone or you put them down at just about every opportunity for just about ANY reason, religious, moral, medical, or whatever pops into your head at the moment. The record is in this forum. C'mon !!!!!! Climb off of your high white horse, join the rest of the human race, plenty of people to put down & judge out here over trivial things as well as big things. You must be a real HOOT at dinner parties !!..... IF you go to such functions.
Dana
July 7th, 2009 - 4:56:22 PM
Blessed Mom--- I am sorry, excuse my dying of laughter, you are God's appointed authority over your family??? For a person who believes that birth control pills directly cause miscarriages, you know even less about "God's appointment". Most fundamental Christians, among which you appear (in my opinion) to be, would agree that THE HUSBAND/FATHER is the appointed Godly authority. But what do I know
Daniel
July 8th, 2009 - 9:53:00 AM
Dana - That's the way that these Fundamentalists - " Fun " damentalists, there's a contradiction in terms !!! - think. They put themselves as everyone's judge, not just their families. People like B. Mom & Diane love to call people ion the carpet over the weensiest details. They remind me of the one group that Jesus ever said anything against, the Pharisees. I'm a person of faith, raised in the Christian religion, but I worry less about being " religious " than about spirituality. Logic & reason, except their own unique brand, mean nothing to them. & arguing with them has served to TOTALLY DERAIL the discussion away from discussing the Duggars & their ever - expanding clan. How old is Anna Duggar ? Someone mentioned that as she gets older & bears more children, the chances increase that a child born to her could be autistic. So do the chances of her having a child w / Down's Syndrome. I know because 1 of my former neighbors had such a child when she was in her late 30's - Early 40's. Be nice if we could discuss this family without being side - tracked by flaming, bickering, yadda - yadda - yadda. The reality show families like the Duggars & Jon & Kate appear to be the flavor of the month / season / year.
Daniel
July 8th, 2009 - 4:53:32 PM
Anywho..... As I've said before, the idea of having multiple births to raise children to be " Christian Soldiers " sounds antithetical to everything Christianity is about. Factor in the potential dangers to the mother & child in the womb as the mother gets older, & it seems like less of an option. Add on the fact that America & the world as a whole can't support an upward surge in population like it used to, because of growing scarcities of natural, non - renewable resources, & the only basis for having a " Quiverfull " of children is to raise a platoon of Christian missionaries. & if the little kids decide that they don't want to be " missionaries ", enforce morality, picket abortion clinics & demonstrate in front of gay / lesbian social clubs, whatever, as they get old enough to make up their minds..... Then the QM is proceeding on an antiquated idea, even though they will continue to keep on doing what they do. Making America safe from smelly brown people practicing their smelly brown faiths, & making sure that there are more Bible - carrying WASPS in the world - Bear in mind that I, too, am a Christian, even though I've seen man examples of the faith to make me ashamed at times of the title " Christian ". This last comment is sure to come back to haunt me, I'd bet even money on it.....
Wendy
July 9th, 2009 - 7:30:43 PM
I think a lot of you need to mind your own business. I was raised in a Christian home and was taught at home as well, and I turned out fine. Now my husband and I are expecting our first child due in August and we have learned a lot from this family. This family is one of the most caring and loving families I have seen in a long time, so anyone that has bad things to say really need to take a hard look at themselves and maybe judge where they are in their own life. I mean I agree that not believing in birth control is not the best thing in the world, but hey, it did not always existed and if God is giving them this chance to raise these kids in a way that is loving, caring and with great morals then who are we to judge? We can't really judge anyone's life but our own, and when we are judging some other persons life, then we must really not be living the way we are supposed to be in the first place. Just a thought.
Daniel
July 9th, 2009 - 11:05:28 PM
Wendy - You're quite right. But a couple of people that have appointed themselves as self - described " authorities " on matters spiritual, moral, pharmacological, medical, legal, & even in areas such as REAL ESTATE have hijacked this discussion away from discussing the Duggars & the media interest in them, & turned it into a lot of " flaming ", personal attacks, baseless suppositions coupled with said attacks, etc. Maybe we'd all better unhook from the Internet & from our electronic media access for a while, take a deep breath, & watch TV..... ;-)
Alli
July 13th, 2009 - 6:57:52 PM
this is stupid why do people trash Michelle and JimBob they are taking great care of all the kids
Daniel
July 14th, 2009 - 4:12:38 PM
Alli - I don't recall anyone trashing the Duggar family lately, we've all been busy flaming, sniping & carping at one another, for petty little reasons..... " All the monkeys aren't in the zoo, everyday you meet quite a few..... " & some of them love to fling poo.....!
Daniel
August 5th, 2009 - 4:43:12 PM
This forum seems pretty inactive / inert / dead..... Will the last person to leave this forum please turn the lights off ? The power bill is going to be horrendous !! ;-) Guess I have to do it.
Brandy
August 12th, 2009 - 1:27:05 AM
All you who are clearly bashing and insulting the duggers are one track minded,your blind to others who live there lives to there own beliefs and not yours,there are people in this world that believe in abortions,in sex before marriage or after marriage,everyone is intitled to there OWN beliefs,view,religion..whatever you wanna call it...just because you dont agree with it dosent make it wrong...it does not give you the right to critisise,demure or whatever,you only know what is put out in the media,tlc,discovery channel etc etc...you do not know them personally,you do not know what happens behind the cameras or behind closed doors.I dont understand or get why people find the need to critisise or condem them because they have 18 kids ...how many of you can say you have built your own house...looked after 18 kids and home schooled them and and and....the only people who have a right to comment or judge are ones who are properly educated in the daily lives of the duggers,behind and infront of cameras....and the only ones who are properly and fully educated are the duggers them selves and if they are deciding to have 18 kids or 30 kids its there life...there choice...and they are the ones who have to deal with it....you can raise your kids the way you want and it is up to the children when they get older to decide if they want to continue living the way you have showed them and follow in there parents footsteps...it is also there choice to not live that way and clearly with the amount of people killing and stealing and molesting and raping and what ever else crime is commited in this world that our children can decide to not live the way they were raised and to not use the tools we as parents teach them to survive and thrive in this world(respect,schooling etc) so here you sit and demure and critisize the duggers(jim bob and michelle) for having so many kids and raising them the way they are wether it be for a cult or whatever...ultimately the children can decide what and where and who and why and so on....as for the brainwashing..if these children are so brainwashed and tricked into believeing what there parents are teaching them...them why is it that the FBI has said that when they did there study by compiling and assesing the behavioral and developmental traits of a serial killer wich is used to complete a serial killers profile it was found that the serial killers background ie: relationship with the parents as well as the atmosphere in the house ...and will use the exact wording they give:after doing an exhaustive study that found that most serial killers spent there childhood in unhealthy,uncaring and abusive homes(wich from what we can see is not the case with the duggers) as well as a percentage of serial killers come from strong religeous back grounds,if children from a background like the duggers(religion and parental teachings) are so brainwashed clearly they shouldnt be criminals as crimnal behaviour is forbidden.what i am trying to say is that the children when grown up can and will decide to live like they were raised or to not live like they were raised..how we raise our children is our choice...how and what they do as adults or even 16 and up is there choice(the childrens) the duggers from what is displayed on tv and the media are trying to teach there children responsability,love,respect,survival skills ect...so what if they are driving a BMW or if they are wearing nike or addidas or dolce cabanna...what they are getting from the show or anyother income they aquire is there buissines and what they spend it on is there buissiness....as long as the children are taken care of and they(parents) are taken care of what more can u ask for...look at john and kate plus 8...they may only have 8 kids but they are taken care of....how many of you can say that your kids or child when grown up owns there own buissiness and house and so on and son on...oviously what they are teaching there kids is effective enough to have josh live a normal and productive life in a positive way...it looks like to me that jimbob and michelle have better control over there 18 kids then a welfare mom and her 3 children(not to say all welfare moms cant control there children)...its just sad that people are so set in a one track life and are so set on discriminating and judgeing families not like there own,i bet that if any of you who are discriminating and judgeing the duggers spent one day with them that your view and opininion for them would change..i bet you would grow a respect and apprec ciation for them...just because you dont agree with it dosent make it wrong...people do things for a reason...get to know the reason before you judge.....also i probably missspelled words...have absolutely no grammer and probably didnt word it properly or whatever else you may find wrong with it....but thats because i wrote it and not you...as well as my view and point is more important to me then they way i sound or look or appear to others....see my moto is if you dont like me thats your problem...if you dont like what i write or how i spell it dont read it...if you want to comment on what i wrote awsome...but dont criticise it cause i am not perfect and you think you are....
Erica
September 2nd, 2009 - 2:40:14 PM
These people need to stop! There is NO reason for them to have so many kids! A doctor really needs to go in and remove her uterus, or at least tie her tubes! This planet doesn't need any more Duggars!
Daniel
September 2nd, 2009 - 3:16:58 PM
Erica - That's what a good many of us have been saying. OTOH - This isn't a police state, & we can't just go about sterilizing people willy - nilly, even though they appear to be breeding simply so they can raise children to be religious " soldiers " to steer America back to being a " Christian nation " & " back to God " ( Read my earlier post ( s ) about that ). My main concern is what the media attention will do to the family, specifically the children. Keeping people in the spotlight almost 24 / 7 CAN'T be good. It did WONDERS for the Gosselins, apparently.
C
September 2nd, 2009 - 10:03:51 PM
First off enough is enough I am surprised this woman's uterus has not fell out yet (and yes it can happen) it's obvious that no one in this family has ever been to a health class and since they are home schooled I highly doubt that mama Dugger teaches reproduction the way it should be taught just saying that if god wants them to have 19+ kids and that there all gifts then they believe that the crackhead that lives in the getto that has 4+ kids god wanted her to have gifts too. And the poor girl that married into this family and had to agree to the vows that she would also let god give her gifts she did not know what she was getting herself into after all you can return a gift you can't return a child
Blessed Mom
September 5th, 2009 - 9:47:18 PM
Congratulations to the Duggars !! God has blessed you once again !!
Daniel
September 21st, 2009 - 12:16:08 AM
Blessed Mom ---- As long as they can afford another mouth to feed, more power to 'em. If they're breeding strictly to stay in the spotlight, that's not too good. Why don't you go over there & give them your Holy blessing yourself ??
Tina
September 30th, 2009 - 1:18:05 AM
"And the poor girl that married into this family and had to agree to the vows that she would also let god give her gifts she did not know what she was getting herself into after all you can return a gift you can’t return a child" In response to this comment...Anna herself is from a large family, though not as large as Josh's, and their families were friends so she is well aware of what she "got herself into". Josh and Anna have made it clear they don't plan on having nearly as many children as their parent's have had and I think that is very mature of them to be thinking in advance. I believe that there will come a day where they will make the decision for birth control but it is still early in their relationship. As far as them getting pregnant so soon after the wedding...They were married Sept 2008 and found out they are due Oct 2009...fairly normal for a lot of young married couples (I was born 14 months after my parents were married). Michelle and Jim Bob, with their own family, have made it clear that they do not push their views about religion or child bearing on anyone else. As much as some people would like to believe, you cannot FORCE your children to believe exactly as you do (as we are seeing Josh sort of break off from his family's cycle). I have friends who were raised in different religions and as they grew older, their parents realized that they could lead the way but once grown, it was their own choice what they did. Some of my friends are still involved with the religion they grew up with, but not as into it as their family is. Not everyone is equally as devout in each religion so until the Duggar children are grown and move out, there's no way to say for sure that they are being brainwashed, etc. I applaud Michelle and Jim Bob for raising their children to be well educated in not only the fundamentals of education but also technology and music. They teach their children how to be self sufficient and the "buddy" system, tho sometimes annoying, does teach each child responsibility, accountability, and that raising children is a full time job and should not be taken lightly (as I'm sure the daughter's are probably going to want to enjoy their first year of marriage not having to tote around a kid somewhere). They do not depend on handouts and stay within their financial means. They have built their own home and have paid for everything they own, owing no one anything. I don't think the money they receive from their TV show, or other appearances can be considered a handout since there are hundreds of other reality shows and we don't consider those to be "handouts" to those appearing on them. I just admire the fact that they are nothing like Octomom or Jon and Kate...no meds were used to conceive these children and they are a firm family foundation with good family values and financial security. Sorry this was long winded, but it was comments I'd been planning out after reading all the spiteful (and some incorrect) stuff said.
Danielle White
October 8th, 2009 - 9:34:29 PM
You know what most of you sound like? ---Hitler--- EVERYONE has the right to their beliefs ( even you haters) but your mothers should have taught you to respect others and keep hateful things to yourself. That makes you the "bigger" person and not the mud I wipe off my boots. My grandmother came from a family of 15 children...If her mother had done what so many of you people want, my family wouldnt be here as would many of your families. I dont plan on having 19 kids, but I dont knock people who want more. By the way, the Duggard's are NOT involved with Quiverful, they are Conservative Baptists.
Heidi
October 9th, 2009 - 3:26:20 PM
The Duggars have NEVER, EVER publicly claimed to be part of the quiverfull movement. They just believe that children are God's greatest blessing. I couldn't agree more with that statement. Read their book, and you'll understand what they have been through and where they are coming from when they speak about the joy of raising children.
Kayla
October 9th, 2009 - 9:41:21 PM
The Duggars are good people and it's wrong for others to be putting them down on here. They aren't doing it to you, so why do it to them? Getting on here expressing what you don't like about them isn't going to make a difference anyways. They aren't going to change their ways just because someone on the internet said they didn't like them. I really feel sorry for those of you who like to put down others who are trying to glorify God. I will pray that he has mercy on your souls and continues to bless the Duggar family. God bless :-)
Cindy
October 10th, 2009 - 12:56:15 AM
The Duggars have said they are not part of the "Quiverfull Movement" in a June 2009 interview on Faith's Sally Quinn. The video of this interview can be found on YouTube by searching "The Duggar's on having more children" hope this helps...
Wendy
October 10th, 2009 - 7:16:04 PM
I don't think it's wrong for anyone to have alot of kids, the religious aspect of their reason is wrong. That is no reason to have a child, however, they do take good care of their children. The aspect that I despise is the fact that the women/girls are not on equal footing than the men. The men are the "authority". Like what the f**k??????
Daniel
November 1st, 2009 - 1:35:37 AM
Wendy - 6 months later, & this discussion / forum is still " alive ". Quite frankly, I'm surprised !!! I agree with you, breeding just to raise an army of " Soldiers for God ", " religious police " to enforce morality, etc., is wrong, but it's their right to do so, even if some of them would like to enforce their own brand of " morality " on us in turn. but speaking personally, this planet can't sustain big families like it could back in pioneer days onward, when resources were still relatively abundant, commodities weren't so expensive & non - renewable resources weren't approaching scarcity levels, etc. Most Fundamentalist / Evangelical families are based upon the idea that the father & older males are head of the family, just as Jesus is head of the Church. It also reflects the influence of Old Testament Patriarchy, too. Funfamentalist Christians tend to have an unusually strong attachment to Old Testament ideas. Still, the Duggars aren't having a nasty scandal like Jon & Kate Gosslin, they've remained fairly scandal - free.
Ashley
November 17th, 2009 - 9:42:04 PM
Every needs to shut the hell up and quick bashing this family, i love this show, they like having kids get over it.
Carly
December 5th, 2009 - 12:14:32 PM
congations josh and anna duggar you rock on T.V
Carly
December 5th, 2009 - 12:14:32 PM
congations josh and anna duggar you rock on T.V
Tenduewoman
December 11th, 2009 - 8:41:59 AM
I would be more impressed if they had say 6-8 biological children, and then adopted the rest...
Daniel
December 15th, 2009 - 6:36:08 PM
Tenduewoman : It would be somewhat nicer if they adopted some inner - city kids or children from Third World nations after having some biological children, that would be combining home & charity. That would work out, possibly.....
candace morse
December 30th, 2009 - 11:24:33 AM
it sounds like the jt guy leaving all these rude comments needs to get laid and get a life of his own instead of bashing the duggar family. he porbobly just shoots blanks and cant seem to get any girls pregnant.. sorry jt we will pray for you
L
February 2nd, 2010 - 7:52:32 PM
Ya try 19 now. I definitely think they need to stop. That is way too many children for anyone to have. Their older children are taking care of the younger ones. There are way too many for the parents alone to handle. I think it is a terrible thing to be showing on television for other people.
Pamela
February 8th, 2010 - 12:33:29 PM
This family is a true representation of good people to support themselves. They are successfully spiritually, emotionally, and financially. Why would anyone criticize them? I admire them. More of us should strive to be just like them.