As an Asian-American female (born in the USA, so please don’t liken me to a foreigner), I’ve grown up with various stereotypes about my race, personality, behavior and whether I’m a Math or Science whiz. (none unfortunately) You hear it in snide remarks made to your face or behind your back, by your fellow students, teachers, co-workers and even guys who hit on you at bars.
With the gruesome murder of Yale Graduate student, Annie Le, in recent days, the way that she is being described by many “Crime Experts,” and other “Talking Heads,” clearly shows how some people view Asian-Americans in this country. With Raymond Clark, a lab technician in police custody, the “Crime experts,” and other “Talking heads,” continue to try and figure out the motive for the murder.
They describe Annie Le as an “Asian,” instead of “Asian-American.” Would you describe someone of African-American descent as being “African?” No. Didn’t think so.
Here is an example of Pat Brown, a Criminal Profiler on the Today Show describing Raymond Clark’s possible motive:
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“She didn’t give him the time of day, and now she’s gonna pick some other White guy. This Asian girl that he thought he could control. He was part of the Asian Awareness club, maybe he thought he could get himself a girlfriend..Asian women…that they’re easy to control than American women.”
Yet, Annie Le was remembered by her family and friends for her “humor and intelligence.” She was not the “submissive, stereotypical, weak,” Asian female stereotype that is so prevalent amongst Western society. Instead, Monte, a friend of Le’s recalls that Le was “really little, but she always spoke out and held her own. She was street-smart and book-smart at the same time, which is very rare when you come across someone with the same IQ she had.”
Perhaps the fact that Le was not the weak, submissive Asian female that Clark had envisioned, angered him so much to have committed such a foul deed? Until we find out the real truth about what happened to Annie Le, we’ll continue to hear the “Talking heads,” spouting off about how Annie’s “Asian-ness” may have played into this tragedy.
Sadly.
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Comments
Solange
September 18th, 2009 - 12:31:55 PM
Until I read your article, this was the first I had heard of her being described as Asian. Most articles just mention that she is of Vietnamese decent, but other than that they say she was from California. What Pat Brown said in this video is really stupid though, I dont blame you for being mad. For all accounts, she was your typical all-american college student.
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Kelly Turner
September 18th, 2009 - 12:39:13 PM
i hate that people think if they are "positive" stereotypes, like being smart, that it isnt hurtful. That clip is really infuriating.
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kc
September 18th, 2009 - 1:01:26 PM
I'm glad you wrote this. I watched the Today Show this morning and said to my boyfriend "Is it me, or did Pat Brown just make a fool of herself?"
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ivan
September 18th, 2009 - 1:02:56 PM
If Ms. Le's friend labels her as out-spoken, that could have lead to her demise. I'll be like everyone else in this country and speculate 'til the cows come home... Maybe this case has nothing to do with race? Maybe Mr. Clark was having a bad day and was tired of people leaving a mess (I love how the media describes his job as a mouse poop scooper, I'm sure he did more "technical" things too). I'm an Asian American male and know enough AA women to know that they're not all shy and meek... Many of them are such B's that me and the boys are happy if they are dating a White guy because we wouldn't wish that sort of life on one of our "own" (Although I do pity my white brother-in-law because he is a nice guy and doesn't deserve it). What it really boils down to is individualism and the addition of environmental factors (including race, work pressures, etc). Mr. Clark was a person with a known temper problem and Ms. Le, unfortunately, was in the wrong place at the wrong time with perhaps the wrong attitude. In this age of school and work shootings, logic and street smarts help you pick your battles. In my experience emotions get the better of people and conflicts often escalate... So, in the end, violence is never justifiable and just a dumb "solution", but to all you readers out there, you can be up to 1/2 the solution or 1/2 the problem. If someone is getting irate, use your head and not your heart.
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Joe
September 18th, 2009 - 1:17:47 PM
Yeah, that was a stupid thing said in the video, but the fact is that Asians are considered the "model minority" and they have to deal with both aspects of that term. Stereotypes are such because some are true. A lot of Asians (including Asian-Americans) I know are good in math and science, while others are better at art and literature. I don't mean to sound racist, but I find more Asians in higher education than other minorities, and I think it is in part because of the cultural values of family and education, but clearly it is a complex subject about which I am not expert. I think the USA is becoming more culturally aware, but there is a LONG way to go, and if you look or appear different, people are sometime going to treat you differently (e,g, where are you from?). Personally I don't think this may have had to do with Le being Asian, but rather being female and intelligent. Clark appears to have had a history of dominating women. I am not Asian, and don't see Asian women as weak, but I'm afraid that movies and media have not helped in that cause. I hope my kids will grow up in a world that addresses these complex race issues in a honest fashion...and also a world free of crimes like this one.
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Bob
September 18th, 2009 - 1:21:46 PM
Hey, Ivan, go straight to hell. "Maybe Mr. Clark was having a bad day and was tired of people of leaving a mess". WHAT? So because he was having a bad day, he choked the life out of a woman? She "perhaps" had the "wong attitude"? What kind of bad "attitude" justifies violence? Are you really implying Annie Le was "1/2 the problem"? You obviously spend your life walking around on eggshells in case someone is having "a bad day". You obviously "pick your battles" with an eye to making sure you're not going to get hammered, and make sure you're never "in the wrong place at the wrong time." You obviously watch your "attitude" all the time so that you don't get your ass handed to you. You might want to check your approach to life, you coward. The rest of us will continue to insist that people refrain from violence and treat people with respect regardless of the kind of day they are having, you moron. No wonder Asian American women don't go for Asian American men. If you're a representative of AA men, you're pathetic. God rest Annie Le.
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Jean
September 18th, 2009 - 1:22:15 PM
Unfortunately, I notice in your argument you use Asian where you probably should have used Asian-American like you complained others improperly used. Then you capitalized words you should have. Obviously, English is not your strong suit either. And finally, as an Asian-American, I found few comments about her being Asian.
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Paula
September 18th, 2009 - 1:34:01 PM
I saw the same program and I thought that what the commentator was saying is that it was possible that Raymond Clark had a "thing" for Asian American women based on his stereotyped assumptions of what they are "like." It wasn't that SHE thinks Asian American women are passive, but that perhaps, like some men, HE might have expected her to be so. She did construct a story here that has yet to be proven, of course, but I didn't think she was blaming Ms. Le for her own murder but blaming stereotypes about women for male expectations that we don't really know he had. It's like saying that a man might attack a girl because he thinks her short skirt or tight pants or the amount of makeup she wears gives him permission. He's dead wrong, but he makes a leap from one thing to another because it justifies his expectations.
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Kat Ahn
September 18th, 2009 - 1:36:12 PM
Thanks for your comments. And Jean, actually I used both terms "Asian-American," and "Asian," throughout the post to describe both the correct term and also the stereotype. English isn't my strong suit? Well, perhaps you can blame my High School English teacher.. see, I'm not a model minority member.
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paula
September 18th, 2009 - 1:40:42 PM
One more thing -- Sorry, Joe, but researchers have disproven notions that Asian or Asian-Americans are "naturally" more intelligent and better in school than other ethnicities. What IS true, according to one Asian Canadian educational researcher is that some Asian and Asian American parents insist that their children go to tutoring, study long hard hours and excel in school. Some of them expend a lot of effort and money to insure success. It has created many problems for Asian and Asian American kids whose parents do NOT have such expectations or push the kids to do exceptionally well. Such children are unfairly expected to excel so because of the stereotype that they are "naturally" bright. Asians and Asian Americans can be just as dumb as anyone else. It's a question of nurture, not nature.
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ivan
September 18th, 2009 - 1:43:39 PM
Hey Bob, read my second to last sentence. I don't know what kind of fairy tale land you live in, but in this one, seemingly normal people go off the deep end and kill people for no good reason. Let's put it this way. If you're in a parking lot and someone steals the spot that you were waiting for, what do you do? Get out and yell at them? Maybe lunge your car at them? Better yet bang on their hood. That's using your heart and that the kind of stuff that ends up getting you shot. I'll save my mad Karate skills for those fools who, at the minimum, insult my shy, meek, subservient mother, thank you. I'd love to live in Bob-o-land where your insistence can change the will of others, but I'm stuck here where people do get killed over mundane things like parking spots and mice. You heard it ladies, just say and do as you please because Bob here declares that nothing, and I mean nothing you do can get you being beaten, raped and/or killed. And don't worry, in the event you are killed, Bob and the media will step in to defend your honor.
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Kat Ahn
September 18th, 2009 - 1:45:19 PM
Paula, I can attest to the fact that a majority of Asian/Asian-American parents make you go to long hours of tutoring after school and on Saturdays. This was most of my childhood/early teen years.
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paula
September 18th, 2009 - 1:55:08 PM
Kat Ahn -- That may be the case, which proves my point that such accomplishments are due to hard work, not "Asianness." Anyone who puts in the hours such kids do would also flourish in an academic setting. The researcher I mention was fighting the stereotype that Asian kids are just "born" smarter because, as she points out, those Asian children whose parents are not focused on education (and certainly some parents are not) often suffer from the expectation that they, too, will be "brilliant" in school. When they are just average, they are considered stupid or abnormal.
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Thuyen
September 18th, 2009 - 2:26:05 PM
“She didn’t give him the time of day, and now she’s gonna pick some other White guy. This Asian girl that he thought he could control. He was part of the Asian Awareness club, maybe he thought he could get himself a girlfriend..Asian women…that they’re easy to control than American women.” That does not necessistate to me that the talking head was stereopying the young woman, but was in actuality talking about the stereotype of the young woman that could exist in Raymond's mind. Also, as Asian-American myself, I don't mind being called Asian. We don't hear the term African alot for African-Americans, but we do hear the term blacks alot. I don't think we need to nitpick for racism, when there are real cases of racism that do exist. And yes, there are stereotypes that do exist for us who are from Asia. But before we live in glasshouses and throw stones, I have seen plenty of stereotypes of whites, blacks, etc., from Asian-Americans, too. It is not a one-way street. It is a human nature thing. It does not make it right. It is still wrong. But just saying. The reason why there are talking heads on this case is because we have a case of a young man, who seems normal to most of his friends, acting totally out of the ordinary so people are trying to get inside his head as to why would he commit a senseless act.
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grace
September 18th, 2009 - 2:48:15 PM
I agree with Joe, 'movies and media have not helped in that cause.' absolutely right. yet those hollywood movie makers were trying to please their audience. so this is complex. difference in looks certainly doesnt make humans different in nature, but the difference always attract attention anyway--and even this is 'focus on difference' is a commonality in humans. isnt it just self-contradictory?
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joe
September 18th, 2009 - 3:15:47 PM
Hey, Bob, nice job of stereotyping all Asian American males. Maybe YOU should go straight to hell.
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Chris
September 18th, 2009 - 3:48:41 PM
Zing! (nice one Joe) Maybe Bob's misquote of "wong attitude" was a Freudian slip?
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Billy-Dee
September 18th, 2009 - 4:03:54 PM
To "ALL" the bigger picture is that a human life was taken. It doesn't matter as to what race, culture or whatever else one can focus on. The point is that Annie Le (A HUMAN) was murdered. Let us say a prayer for both.
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mer
September 18th, 2009 - 7:23:17 PM
I noticed this is bringing stereotypes to light, too. I was a bit annoyed by an article that called her pint size.
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wendy
September 18th, 2009 - 8:22:56 PM
I was born in Shanghai. Does that tarnish my Asian-Canadian-ness in your mind? Do you liken me to a foreigner? Pull your head out of your ass.
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wendy
September 18th, 2009 - 8:36:23 PM
And I think you're misinterpreting the crime profilers. They expressed that the motives for Annie's murder was due to public STEREOTYPICAL PERCEPTION that Asians/Asian-Americans are submissive. There are indeed white guys who join Asian Awareness clubs to pick up girls, which is wrong, and Pat Brown described that spot on. Nowhere in this article did anyone say that Annie WAS SUBMISSIVE nor did they try to pass off the stereotypes as facts - they were simply being reflective of the stereotypes, which is a step in the right direction.
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George
September 18th, 2009 - 8:50:15 PM
Had this happened in the UK to a South Asian female, the community would have burnt the place down. Had this been a black male killing a white female a hundred years ago, whites would have run the blacks out of town. However, East Asians are too civilized and educated.
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Eric
September 18th, 2009 - 8:54:44 PM
I love how law enforcement and media are shocked that a white guy who plays sports and work in lab can murder another human being. Pissing me off even more is the idea this guy won't get hate crime stamp on this murder case. Media has trivialize her death because they don't want to pin Raymond as asianphile, because this isn't a term USA or western nation can comprehend This is same theme of older case: http://modelminority.com/article904.html Lili Wang, a 31-year-old computer science graduate student at North Carolina State University, was murdered two years ago today by Richard Borrelli Anderson, a white classmate who had become infatuated with her. Wang was already married (to another Chinese American), but this fact did nothing to deter Anderson's advances, which appear to have been racially motivated. According to press reports, Anderson had confided to a colleague that he liked Asian women because "they study hard, and they're very nice, soft speaking." Although no definitive conclusions can be drawn from these press reports, if it is the case that Anderson singled Wang out first as the target of his unwanted advances, and then for murder, because of her race, then the crime should be reported and recognized as a hate crime. In October 2002, ModelMinority.com petitioned the law enforcement community to urge that a formal investigation be opened on the question of Anderson's possible racial motivation. Even if Anderson cannot be brought to trial, recording the murder as a hate crime will serve as a precedent to educate the legal system about the potentially tragic consequences of the model minority stereotype and other subtle forms of racial discrimination against the Asian American community.
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Steve
September 18th, 2009 - 9:16:08 PM
I think Thuyen and Paula are spot-on in their assessments and Pat Brown also articulated very well what is the most probable scenario. But racial stereotyping, which we all do by the way in some form or fashion, does not necessary have to end up with murder. I think that there is something more seriously wrong with the suspect's mindset which probably only a psychologist can explain. BTW, what prompted me to comment are all the intelligent comments before me about this topic. It makes me a proud Asian-American.
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Cheryl
September 18th, 2009 - 9:58:10 PM
Kat - I agree with Paula's response: Pat Brown was calling to attention stereotypes of Asian women that the accused may have had - she was NOT agreeing with them. In fact, I feel grateful to Pat Brown for being the first to point out Annie Le's race as a crucial issue in her murder. Raymond Clark joined an Asian Club - *why* would he do this?? And please don't anyone respond saying that he simply had an appreciation for the culture. I have known white men who surround themselves with Asian guys in order to gain easier access to Asian women - this is pathetic, and as the case of Le's murder reveals, sometimes pathological. For those who do not think Le's murder was motivated, at least in part, by her race, please read this very thought provoking article by Sunny Woan: "White Sexual Imperialism: A Theory of Asian Feminist Jurisprudence" (try the HeinOnline database or your university library) Woan makes very strong arguments that the history of colonialism between the USA and Asian countries has led to sexually degrading stereotypes of Asian women, which are played out in Western society to this day, resulting in sexual violence against Asian women. The author cites the Lili Wang case along with several others (thanks Eric for mentioning this case). As far as I'm concerned, Annie Le's murder was a hate crime and the Asian community of the Yale Campus should be in an uproar about it.
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Janie
September 18th, 2009 - 9:59:29 PM
Have anyone had to clean up after people all your life? I once had to give away my rabbit to a friend, they never cleaned the cage and 3 months later the rabbit died. They don’t even have the decency to tell me. They too seemly just normal people. Maybe a seemly pretty girl like her is just full on lazy and a slob. Too bad he can not hold back his anger. Butt ugly girl like her is not worth losing it for.
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Leslie
September 18th, 2009 - 10:21:14 PM
Kat Ahn: I appreciate your article and your point about bringing about stereotypes. I commend you for bringing up this topic. I have to say, though, that the majority of the stereotypes that I've read have been those on-line. You may have misinterpreted Pat Brown's comments. I agree with Pat Brown that part of the motivation for Raymond Clark's rage may have been because of who Annie was a woman, a person of color, an Asian woman with all the attached "submissive", "sexually available" stereotypes. Violence against women is huge...at work, at school, in parking lots, in parks, you name it. Clark was coined as "a control freak". He had control issues with his current girlfriend (according to neighbors) and raped, stalked, and harassed his ex-girlfriend (according to the police). In my work in anti-domestic/sexual violence, he is your typical perpetrator. So given that, it did not surprise me that he killed. Batterers are usually very charming (that is why they are able to have friends and have girlfriends), but they are also very calculating. Hence, you hear ppl say that there's "two sides" to Clark. Perpetrators batter and kill when they feel that they are loosing control or not get their way. Like Pat Brown said, the fact that Annie was a smart and non-submissive woman probably fueled his anger even more. He could not control her and in the fit of rage killed her. I am an Asian-American woman working on anti-violence. Unfortunately, I have seen too many cases of immigrant women being victimized because of these stereotypes. For example, look at the whole international matchmaking industry and human trafficking. Sadly, it's not just white men that are going back to marry women from Asia who they perceived would be more "submissive" and "sexually available", it's our AA brothers too.
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Kat Ahn
September 18th, 2009 - 11:43:45 PM
I appreciate the discussion that my post has created. And also Wendy, I have no inkling to call you a foreigner. Unfortunately, growing up in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, I had to consistently tell people that I was born in America or they would call me names. Its no disrespect to your Asian-Canadian heritage.
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alex
September 19th, 2009 - 2:35:29 AM
hi Kat Ahn, You're talking about about stereotypes and how infuriating they are. However, this is how you started it: "As an Asian-American female (born in the USA, so please don’t liken me to a foreigner)..." Why are you so afraid of being liken to a foreigner? What is so embarrassing about being a foreigner? This is so ironic that you're writing about hating stereotypes, but at the same time you feel that you need to emphasize that you were born in the USA. I happened to be born elsewhere. In your opinion, will that fact make my posts on stereotypes less valid? Really really ironic that people who fight stereotypes HAVE STEREOTYPES (only different from those they're fighting). I would appreciate your response. Maybe as "a foreigner" I'm just not as sophisticated and smart as those who were lucky to be born in the USA and you could explain your position to me. Thanks, Alex
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oe
September 19th, 2009 - 2:44:39 AM
BOB: ivan's message was clear and simple - be wise about situations where social tension can exacerbate to extreme violence. no one is defending clarke or saying le isn't deserving of sympathy. how you can misinterpret a simple idea, and come back with your incoherent tirade is beyond me. you come across as a real dumb fuck, and i feel sorry for your kids with the pile of shit you'll be indoctrinating them with. you sound like a naive pussy with a sheltered life and fuck all experience in dealing with adversity.
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alex
September 19th, 2009 - 2:48:55 AM
Sorry, just saw your post above, which was partly the answer to my question. You said that you had to tell people that you were born in America to avoid being called names. To me it looks like you were succumbing to racists and xenophobs instead of confronting them. "Oh no, I'm not one of *THEM*, i was born here! Leave me alone" implies that in your opinion it's ok for them to insult people who weren't born in the USA. Shame on you.
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alex
September 19th, 2009 - 2:55:39 AM
Janie, your humanity level is that one of stone age. Congrats. I suspect you're a psychopath.
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Elsa Brakers
September 19th, 2009 - 5:48:53 AM
Can i say something here? First of all, God rest the dear soul of Annie Le. That said, can anyone tell me why most of her photos online show her with her cleavage in full view in almost every pic? Was she naive about showing cleavage? Yes, she had small breasts but she accentuated them in a very sexy way by wearing dresses and shirts and tank tops that were mostly full cleavage. Was she showing cleavage in the labs a lot of the time, too? Maybe that gave sick townie Raymond a sick idea. He was wrong. He deserves to rot in Hell, even though there is not a Hell, nor a Heaven. Annie is just dead. Dead as a doornail. Gone with the wind. But why did she show cleavage so often and why am I the only one commenting on this all over the Net? Answer me this, please, o ye who knows the minds of women....
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Elsa Brakers
September 19th, 2009 - 5:57:24 AM
Pat Brown said the same stuff on the Larry King Show, too. She seems a bit unbalanced. Smart but a bit unbalanced. Look at her body language and eyes. That woman is on steroids. Means well, though. Should NOT be in TV.
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George
September 19th, 2009 - 7:02:45 AM
Janie is most likely a white American racist pissed off that a non-white woman is dating a white male. Singapore and the rest of Asia is full of racist white female expats who wont date locals but complain about Asian females dating "their" men..although the white woman might be from the southern US and the white male may be a Finn from Lapland and they have nothing in common other than skin color!
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Eric
September 19th, 2009 - 7:31:40 AM
http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_13358034 Gosh, this whole white guy/asian girl scene is so trite and cliche only because our society has yet to establish a legal precedent for asian related hate crimes in media Where is her media headline?
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Steve Nguyen
September 19th, 2009 - 8:07:09 AM
Elsa Brakers, To answer your curiosity please look at the pictures of her clothes the day Annie Le was killed. I don't think she showed her cleavage that day.
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nancy
September 19th, 2009 - 10:23:54 AM
kat, would it appease you if they characterize annie le as just an "american", erasing all reference to her asian identity? as an asian i celebrate & take pride in my background, in the same manner which all american do (italians, jewish, etc). and i'd rather be stereotyped as a math whiz than an underachieving retard...
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wpw
September 19th, 2009 - 10:50:47 AM
This to me looks like a premeditated hate crime, he killed her because he didn't like cleaning up after an Asian, maybe thought she should be submissive, but the media disgusts me so bad.They never once metioned how it could be a hate crime.They glide over the obvious and find excuses for this Clark guy.For example if they barely knew each other how did he have her phone number to text message her to meet to "discuss the dirty cages"?Some bloggers even go so far as to saying oh it's because of her experimentation with mices.Is Clark a vegetarian???White ppl esp. white men have a fetish for killing and dominating.One thing that sickens me to my stomach is that "a dirty cage" left by an Asian bothered him so much that he had to text her to meet so he could kill her.
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wow
September 19th, 2009 - 10:52:45 AM
White ppl need to stop being in denial that they are crazy psycho superiority attituded drenched fucktards.
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wow
September 19th, 2009 - 10:54:38 AM
As an Asian female I am anything but "submissive", I try to be myself and even in politeness and that bothers these white cracker motherfuckers really bad, they tried to get me fired from work before, finding excuses to complain to the manager but when blacks talk to them like shit, they take it.
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Cleome
September 19th, 2009 - 11:25:30 AM
I don't like these lablels such as African-American and now that you brought up the point of Asian-American I know how you feel. I never agreed to the African American label, because it just doesn't make sense. Just because someone is black, does not mean he or she is American. I will never refer to someone by this label, we are white black Asian and a mix in between. I feel so bad that Annie's life ended, it sounds like she was a brilliant girl. My thought and prayer go out to her family and to her fiancee's family
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Paul
September 19th, 2009 - 1:33:08 PM
Kat, The offensiveness of Pat Brown's statements lies not within her stereotyping about Asian women (I agree with the others that she doesn't), but it is the absolute certainty with which she proclaims to know the motive and the stereotypes she brings in about the white pervert who wants to date Asian women because he views them as submissive etc. Ironically, in the last paragraph, you echo the same stereotype, although importantly you put a "perhaps" in front of it. As a white non-American with an Asian (not American either) girlfriend, I find these stereotypes equally offensive as the ones some people have about Asian women. The possible reasons why someone picks an Asian girl are as manifold as the reasons someone picks a brunette girl. When I lived in Asia, I did meet crackheads with plenty of stereotypes about Asian girls (which often actually fit the girls they were dating, just that those girls were not representative of society as a whole), but I also met people who just fell in love. Now, I live in a part of the US where almost all the girls are either American or hold a passport from an Asian country. The American ones may share my skin color, but ultimately both are foreign to me, so dating outside my culture is unavoidable. It is also important to note that for all the stereotypes that do exist in the Western world about women of Asian descent, there are also plenty of stereotypes about white guys in Asia. First, white people are often assumed to be Americans. Second, white people's relationship habits are generally assumed to be similar to what you see in Hollywood movies - guys that hop from woman to woman and women that will sleep with any guy who drops a nice pick-up line. It was amazing how my ability to speak Chinese (I lived in Chinese-speaking parts of Asia) and navigate the culture enabled me to date a whole different set of girls who usually would not consider white guys, even when there was no language barrier. It was also interesting how, perhaps because of my white-ness, dating these Asian girls has always involved becoming close friends with them first and going on "real" dates only after they had decided I'm trustworthy, which could take quite a while in some cases. And finally, being at ease talking to the parents in Chinese made a huge difference in terms of gaining credibility. So as you can see, people there had a lot of concerns that stemmed from these stereotypes. I also agree with George that the worst racist comments tend to be made by frustrated people. In Asia, it was the white females who wouldn't date Asian guys, but felt left behind when white guys dated Asian girls. In the online forums in the US, many of the people that vent racist anger like that seem to be Asian American males, although someone above commented that AA males are also among the bride importers, not just white guys. I don't know about that, but I do know that guys in rich Asian countries have a similar tendency to import brides from poorer Asian countries. At the end of the day, people are people, and weirdos are found in every culture. And so are stereotypes.
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Paul
September 19th, 2009 - 2:19:12 PM
Going back to this sad murder of Annie Le, it is possible to assess the situation in a more structured way than Pat Brown does. First, everyone is innocent until proven otherwise, although the evidence in this case does seem like prosecution will be able to nail down this guy in a multitude of ways. If he's the one who did it, then why? 1) What we can be most sure about is that this is not a premeditated murder (unlike someone has written above). Nobody would premeditate to murder someone in a building that is full of card swipe devices and security cameras. Also the fact that card swipes show him to frantically move between rooms after the murder, such as someone looking for a place to hide a body speaks against premeditation. 2) His being a "control freak" is likely to have contributed to the crime. We know he e-mailed her about not following protocol and he requested a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of the cages. He may have done that to set up a trap, but point 1) pretty much rules out this conjecture. It seems likely that during that meeting something happened that made him go nuts. 3) Her tiny build certainly contributed to the crime, simply because he may not have dared or succeeded attacking her had she been 6'5'' and 200 pounds. 4) It seems possible that her being a woman contributed to the crime (over and above point 3), since he has been described as someone who feels a need to control women and she may not have "complied" with his demands as much as he expected. But we don't know for sure. 5) Whether her personality contributed to making him go nuts is unclear. It seems she was a very kind person who also responded to his e-mail in a conciliatory tone. However, people have also described her as someone who wouldn't take infinite amounts of BS from people, so we don't know whether her tone changed during the encounter, perhaps because she felt he was going too far with his demands about protocol etc. Alternatively, she may have dealt with him in a kind way, but he may have taken something the wrong way or he was already fuelled up about many researchers' behavior, and he talked himself into a rage and point 3) contributed to her being the one who gets attacked, not someone else. We don't know and may never know which of these points is relevant. 6) It is unclear whether or not he had feelings of inferiority that contributed to the aggression. Remember, he used to be an honors student in high school. And yet he didn't go further than being a lab tech, while all the researchers he faced daily where highly successful. It is possible that he developed the "control freak" trait to compensate for this, but this is speculation. 7) If he had a romantic interest in her, he likely kept it to himself. Police did not find evidence that the two had a romantic link. Had he been the creep who tried to hit on her at the lab, it seems unlikely that she wouldn't tell her fiance about it, given how their relationship has been described. Had they had an affair, I'm sure police would be able to find out, but it seems unlikely that they had one. She was a very attractive girl and probably had lots of options, but chose to be with the same guy ever since they were freshmen. Also, she embroidered her own veil for the wedding, which to me looks like a girl who is excited about marrying her fiance, not a girl who has someone else on the side. We may never know whether he had a secret interest in her that added to his anger because she was marrying someone else. But I caution that he was also engaged. This may not proclude romantic interest in other women, but it might mitigate any anger felt due to rejection by these other women. 8) Whether her "Asian-ness" had anything to do with this crime is pure speculation. We don't know why he joined that Asian Awareness Club. Remember he was an honors student. He may have had a genuine interest at that time. He may have used it as a dating vehicle because of stereotypes he may have had. We don't know. Let me conclude by saying that this murder is deeply disturbing. By all accounts, she was so precious to the people who were close to her. I cannot even begin to imagine how devastated her fiance must be. I find it very shocking and scary how the dear love they seem to have shared can be destroyed so brutally in the blink of an eye. Just while I was celebrating my brother's wedding, she was fighting for her life, and her body was found when she was supposed to be celebrating her own wedding. This is too heartbreaking. I do take from this that we should always strive to show our appreciation to the people who are precious to us for we may not know how much time we have with them. Finally, I pray that God give her the mercy of his peace and that her fiance and their families may find consolation in Him and in each other.
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Paul
September 19th, 2009 - 2:20:28 PM
The smiley was unintended. It was supposed to be an 8 with a ), which apparently got translated into a smiley.
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Marc
September 19th, 2009 - 2:48:54 PM
Well she was born in Canada. She was of Vietnamese descent. Really its immaterial she was Asian. If she had been caucasian so what? I don't hear anyone saying she got less media attention because she was Asian. We can all perceive slights, real or unreal. This garnered tremendous media interest because she had so much going for her, so much potential, and she disappeared just before her wedding day. Tragically she was found on her wedding day. That killer stole her life, destroyed Annie's fiance's life, his fiance's life, his life, their families, etc, over a dirty rodent cage? And he kills someone small enough to be a large child essentially. Talk about a complete and utter coward. He don't imagine he will do well in prison. My heart goes out to Annie's family and her fiance's family, and the poor woman who was engaged to this man. He didn't go home after he was released, he went to a hotel. I can't imagine why. Yes, innocent until proven guilty but trying to clean up evidence he left behind doesn't bode well for him, nor does the DNA evidence on Annie's body when it was found. Just tragic. Senseless. Unbelievable.
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Thuyen
September 19th, 2009 - 3:50:30 PM
Let's keep in mind all this is speculation as to why she was killed. Was it sexual attraction that led to rage towards her? Was it anger over the cage issue? Was it involving stereotype and submission issues? Or all or none of the above? Was it a fight both have (regardless of who started it) that got out of hand and the guy after that just freaked out? Let's the law enforcement, prosecutors, forensics, etc., get the evidence where it lead them. Right now, we just don't know.
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Pam
September 19th, 2009 - 4:40:32 PM
All I know is that Annie's death has haunted me since I heard about it. All I can think of is how happy she probably was about getting married, how excited she must have been and how much in love she must have been. Then the irony of her body being found on what should have been her wedding day. That broke my heart for her, her fiance', her family, friends, coworkers, and anyone whose life she touched. This is tragic and senseless and I thought she was just a beautiful young woman who probably would have contributed so much. There is no why to this even if there is a motive. I don't care where she is from, what her nationality is, any of that stuff. She was a beautiful happy woman in the prime of her life and some cage cleaning jerk felt he was God and took her life from the world. Murder has a definite domino effect on everyone left alive. It poisions every branch of the tree from which it grew. This sicko will answer for this to be sure. God Bless Annie Le. May she rest in peace and may all those that knew or loved her find some way of coping.
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bill
September 19th, 2009 - 4:52:08 PM
Kat: Do u get physically disgusted at the site of a Hapa?
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wow
September 19th, 2009 - 7:03:51 PM
As an Asian woman I have dealt with racism from every race esp. whites.Most whites think not only of Asian females but Asians in general should be humble, timid, etc.I think what the problem is is that whites tend to label Asians and put us all in one box.For example white men that fly to Asia to specifically solicitate sex from prostitutes (btw what does that say about white men flying across the world for sex, can we say sex starved?Or how about can't get enough of it?)Anyways, they then racially label all Asian women as prostitutes from their experiences with a handful of prostitues whom they go looking for.Also I don't think most women in Asia are submissive,I think it's part of the culture to try to be polite.
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michael
September 19th, 2009 - 7:27:21 PM
“She didn’t give him the time of day, and now she’s gonna pick some other White guy". i don't think pat brown's comments were rascist. if anything she was making the obvious observation of the pathetic state of AAF mindset today, a mindset that believes all WM are some form of the prince charming heroes from the disney movies they were brought up with. at the risk of speculating it would not be a leap of faith for raymond clark to think he too could be the prince charming that a conformist AAF falls hopelessly for. unfortunately this ended tragically.
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Thuyen
September 19th, 2009 - 7:49:43 PM
"Most whites think not only of Asian females but Asians in general should be humble, timid, etc." Most? Don't you think that is doing what you accuse others of doing- putting folks in a box?
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Thuyen
September 19th, 2009 - 7:51:22 PM
"i don’t think pat brown’s comments were rascist. if anything she was making the obvious observation of the pathetic state of AAF mindset today, a mindset that believes all WM are some form of the prince charming heroes from the disney movies they were brought up with." If anything, if that is what Pat Brown meant, then I would say it does come off as a stereotyping folks! But then again, that is not what I think is intended meaning.
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George
September 19th, 2009 - 8:32:13 PM
"Do u get physically disgusted at the site of a Hapa?" Dont know about Kat but plenty of white women back in Asia are espcially if they are super-smart!
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Thuyen
September 19th, 2009 - 9:16:00 PM
"White ppl esp. white men have a fetish for killing and dominating.One thing that sickens me to my stomach is that “a dirty cage” left by an Asian bothered him so much that he had to text her to meet so he could kill her." I don't think stereotyping people as killers and labeling them as crackers (equivalent to the "n" word for blacks) is going to make people take your rantings about racism seriously. Here's a friendly advice for you: hate racism against you? Don't do it to others. Want to see changes in others about that? Be the change you want to see in others. Yes, I have encountered racism from folks for being Asian, too, from all races. But that does not justify any racism on my part towards other races. \
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Thuyen
September 19th, 2009 - 9:19:15 PM
"Media has trivialize her death because they don’t want to pin Raymond as asianphile, because this isn’t a term USA or western nation can comprehend" You must have missed Fox News. Those like Geraldo, Bill O'reilly, etc., have no problem entertaining that is a very real possibility.
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Thuyen
September 19th, 2009 - 9:45:40 PM
"There are indeed white guys who join Asian Awareness clubs to pick up girls, which is wrong, and Pat Brown described that spot on." Even though I am Asian and male, I got no problem with that. if white guys are attracted to Asian females and they want to pursue relationships with one, then I am not going to begrudge their right to be outgoing and trying to meet those they might be with for the rest of their lives.
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Marie
September 19th, 2009 - 9:55:10 PM
So this guy is a member of the Asian Awareness club (over the head). How does that have any bearing on the case? It's unfortunate that that's the stereotype that they have of Asian-American women. I'm Asian and not all Asians are the same! Maybe they'd be better to look into Raymond Clark's movie watching. What about that book about the murder of a female student on the Yale campus involving Bush and Kerry as the murderers? Wouldn't it benefit people to follow that lead instead of the Asian Awareness B.S. from Pat Brown.
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Thuyen
September 19th, 2009 - 10:05:33 PM
"So this guy is a member of the Asian Awareness club (over the head). How does that have any bearing on the case? It’s unfortunate that that’s the stereotype that they have of Asian-American women. I’m Asian and not all Asians are the same! Maybe they’d be better to look into Raymond Clark’s movie watching. What about that book about the murder of a female student on the Yale campus involving Bush and Kerry as the murderers? Wouldn’t it benefit people to follow that lead instead of the Asian Awareness B.S. from Pat Brown." If he has read the book, I am sure the authorities would dig into that. The problem is they have no motive they can understand, because there is no confession, and none of those who knew him unless they are involved can state they know why he did what he did. So pretty much they have to look into his background. The fact he goes to an Asian awareness club may not have bearng on the case, but no one knows that. How he is going to such a club a poor reflection of Asian females? It is looking at what kind person he is, in regards to them, not what kind of folks Asian females are doing. The profilers need to find answers. That's their job, and it is extremely difficult to do so without a statement from the killer as to why he did what he did, since they cannot get inside his head and heart otherwise. Her family and fiance probably want answers to help heal, too. The only thing that may tie him to Annie (who is Asian) is his at least fondness for Asian culture. It may not have anything to do with her death, but that's the only real lead they have so far.
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Ray Gordon
September 20th, 2009 - 12:28:54 AM
I'd like to know how he got her number, and she did text him back. To say she would have flat out rejected any lab tech is off base. I live on an Ivy campus, and have dated more alphabet-soup than I can count, often when I wasn't stably employed. This women often neglect their social lives, and have plenty of time. If a guy is intelligent it won't matter if he's educated, because she's hit on all day by PhDweebs trying to impress her. Cook a good meal for one if you really want to win them over. It does sound like classic romantic stalking.
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Ray Gordon
September 20th, 2009 - 12:33:51 AM
I hope the Asian-American women here realize most men judge on looks, not race. The real common denominator here is BEAUTY. The less attractive is always the aggressor. Now, what about the woman who shot and killed Steve McNair? Is she proof women are psychotic? He had just given her a $60k car. She knew he was married too. What about the "skank" supermodel lawsuit? Turned out a WOMAN was donig it, and she decides not to sue. Would she have done that with a man? Women use lies, and often other men, to do their dirtywork. Neither gender, nor any race, has a monopoly on bad or evil behavior.
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Ekka
September 20th, 2009 - 6:36:06 AM
Re: nancy " ...i celebrate & take pride in my background, in the same manner which all american do (italians, jewish, etc)." To make a sweeping generalization like this seems to show a lack of awareness. Perhaps your level of exposure to society is simply limited. Though I may be of European and Native American ancestry, and I am an American, I do not use, or promote such classifications. To identify with ones particular culture/heritage over commonality, is to support and promote division. We need to move beyond such barriers of racial/cultural separation if we are to ever know any semblance of peace. This includes the labeling of crimes as "hate crimes"; as if to say that crimes committed against ones own race/culture are of any less a tragedy, or any less heinous, and are deserving of special consideration. Violence is wrong. Period. Though some do not act like it, we are all Human beings; regardless of age, race, sex, appearance, or social standing. Regardless of motive, murder is never justifiable.
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Jack
September 21st, 2009 - 12:20:13 AM
@Ekka "To make a sweeping generalization like this seems to show a lack of awareness." I don't know where she made a sweeping generalization, but ok. Flaw in reasoning fail. "To identify with ones particular culture/heritage over commonality, is to support and promote division." And to discourage finding pride in one's own culture, which in America is the root of the richness of diversity, is nothing more than cultural destruction, or simply racism. What's wrong with identifying with being Canadian...or French...or Chinese....or Indian...or South African? That's the problem with you whites. You're so out of touch. "We need to move beyond such barriers of racial/cultural separation if we are to ever know any semblance of peace." Wrong. We need to move beyond the racism of that should've been the racism of yesterday. Racial images given by the media don't encourage white Americans to view Asian Americans as equals. The media encourages white Americans to view Asian women as submissive sex objects and Asian males as violent yet feminine fools. Take your head out of the sand. "This includes the labeling of crimes as “hate crimes”; as if to say that crimes committed against ones own race/culture are of any less a tragedy, or any less heinous, and are deserving of special consideration. Violence is wrong. Period." So should we say that the holocaust wasn't a massive hate crime? What about Rodney King? The Diallo verdict? What about those skinheads I hear about and see in America? The fact that they target nonwhites? Neo-Nazis? You really think you whites are bereft of blame when it comes to crimes motivated by hate against racial differences? You're full of shit. "Though some do not act like it, we are all Human beings; regardless of age, race, sex, appearance, or social standing." Then start treating nonwhites as human beings instead of second class citizens. Get off your ass and do your part in opposing movies that portray Asian Americans, blacks, and Mexicans negatively. Try addressing the fact that discrimination still takes place in employment. Tell me Why is it that in an experiment that involved two fake resumes being mailed with equivalent qualifications but different last names, one of them having a typical white last name and the other having a typical black last name, the resume with the black last name was only accepted for an interview 10% of the time the resume with a white last name was accepted? Why is it that organizations such as the ACLU have to work full-time to address employment discrimination against minorities? Tell me. Until you come up with a plausible answer AND take your head out of the sand, you are full of horseshit.
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Jack
September 21st, 2009 - 12:21:59 AM
"Women use lies, and often other men, to do their dirtywork. Neither gender, nor any race, has a monopoly on bad or evil behavior." Sure, but who's to say that this incident DIDN'T involve race? No one in the media claimed that race has a monopoly on evil behavior. You're just using imaginary theories to support your own extrapolations. Keep lying to yourself that this woman was the real criminal. Until whites learn to move beyond the level of thinking that assumes that anyone of a different skin color is of questionable morals, this society won't change.
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Cheryl
September 21st, 2009 - 1:54:11 AM
Paul - Pat Brown and all who agree with her thoughts on the crime (myself included) only accused Raymond Clark, in this instance, of harbouring stereotypes about Asian women that led to pathological behavior. The whole white race of males is not being accused. You seem to go to great pains to justify your interest in Asian women. The sad truth is that Raymond Clark and other white men like him make ALL white men look bad, whether it is justified or not. It is HIM you should be directing your frustration at. I refer you again to Sunny Woan's article: "White Sexual Imperialism: A Theory of Asian Feminist Jurisprudence" which lays a strong foundation for the entrenchment of stereotypes about Asian women in the west. You say the fact that Annie Le's "Asian-nes" had something to do with her murder is "speculation"? If that's so, it is only because there is no legal precedent for Asian hate crimes of this nature. Please don't explain away this sick man's behavior only b/c you think, as a white man, you may be lumped in with him. People who are NOT pathological psycopaths (or just plain jerks) don't have to try so hard not to look like same. So don't worry about it. Also, to Everyone: can we all be a little more coherent and a little more polite to each other??
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lirelou
September 21st, 2009 - 5:12:54 AM
I agree with Thuyen's post, seconded by others, that Pat Brown's comments were her view on the Clark's possible motivation. She's a talking head, and that's what she get paid to do. I do not agree with the so-called hate crime categorization of the crime. By its very, murder is a crime that involves hate. What does it matter what slice of the spectrum of hate the motivation lies in. The victim is still dead, their lives cut short by the likes of Raymond Clark. Counting devils on the head of a pin, or gilding that weed-flower will not restore life to Annie Le, nor ease the anguish her family must feel. This crime could have easily happened in Vietnam, and the murderous control freak misogynist could as easily been named Nguyen, Trinh, or Vo. Also, In re: "The sad truth is that Raymond Clark and other white men like him make ALL white men look bad, whether it is justified or not." I fail to see how it makes "all" White men look bad. Every group has their share of murderers, rapists, etc.. Now, if the trial were to degenerate into another of those judicial farces where legions of so-called experts spend months spewing psychobabble, instead of just nailing down the facts and sending the (presumably) guilty s.o.b. off to death row, that would certainly make American jurisprudence look bad.
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George
September 21st, 2009 - 5:47:48 AM
"The sad truth is that Raymond Clark and other white men like him make ALL white men look bad.." No! When white women stop going with thrice divorced murder suspects who are white men, such as Drew Peterson you can say that such a stereotype about white men has its consequences. As of now, most white women at least here in the US and expat white women abroad would rather go with a white man who is on the FBI Most Wanted List than an Asian American Endowed Chair Professor of Economics at Northwestern University. Yes, it may make them look bad, but nobody is going to stereotype white males as violent like they do black males. If Rush Limbaugh wants to segregate black boys from white boys, we also need to segregate white boys and men from Asian girls and women!
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Thuyen
September 21st, 2009 - 8:43:55 AM
"As of now, most white women at least here in the US and expat white women abroad would rather go with a white man who is on the FBI Most Wanted List than an Asian American Endowed Chair Professor of Economics at Northwestern University." Evidence of that? You can say most white women are married to white men. But that does not prove anything since most are married to those who hardly make to that wanted list of the FBI. How do you know they rather choose those criminals who are whites than Asian law or whatever professors? You don't. "If Rush Limbaugh wants to segregate black boys from white boys, we also need to segregate white boys and men from Asian girls and women!" When did he say that?
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Thuyen
September 21st, 2009 - 8:47:05 AM
"I agree with Thuyen’s post, seconded by others, that Pat Brown’s comments were her view on the Clark’s possible motivation. She’s a talking head, and that’s what she get paid to do. I do not agree with the so-called hate crime categorization of the crime. By its very, murder is a crime that involves hate." There is a reason why in many of these cases, hate crime is not charged. It is hard to prove. Merely, the fact the victim and the victimiser are of different color of skin does not prove it is hate crime. For example, the motive could be robbery in a case involving those two as such (I am speaking hypothetical cases, not the Le case, here), not the colors of their skins. I have seen cases where minorities beat some white young ladies in Cali, and they were quoted as saying "we hate white people," and they did not get charged with hate crimes.
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Cheryl
September 21st, 2009 - 5:16:52 PM
lirelou: "This crime could have easily happened in Vietnam, and the murderous control freak misogynist could as easily been named Nguyen, Trinh, or Vo." Yes, but it didn't and it wasn't. Talking about hypotheticals does not help solve this crime or get to the bottom of why it happened. This case happened between a white man who was very likely fixated on Annie Le, and whose fixation may have in part been due to Le's race. That is the situation we are dealing with. I'm sorry, but race cannot be taken out of the picture. >Re: my comment on all white men looking bad: When you see/experience a number of cases of white men being interested in Asian women because they are supposed to be more "submissive" or fulfill some sort of male domination fantasy, then it, unfortunately, casts a shadow on such relationships and the people in them. This is of course, at first impression. You never really know unless you know a couple. My point was simply that Paul shouldn't have felt like a creep for being a white man dating an Asian woman. I don't think anyone here is saying that all white men who date Asian women are creeps - that's ridiculous. George: I guess who ends up looking bad depends on who's doing the looking. Thuyen: Yes, hate crime is very difficult to prove. Expecially in Le's case, when Clark's fixation on her can easily be seen as the exact opposite of "hate" as we would define it. Yet, if Le's race contributed to her murder, than I would defy anyone to disprove that as a hate crime. There really does need to be more legal precedence on hate crime against women of Asian descent.
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Thuyen
September 21st, 2009 - 9:10:57 PM
"I’m sorry, but race cannot be taken out of the picture." It cannot be taken out of the picture in regards to considering possibilities, but unless validated by evidence, it is still pure speculation and cannot be used in a court of law to try the person. I am not a fan of hate crime laws myself, since it is applied arbitrarily in this country. And more importantly, it is harder to prove and might actually be counter-productive towards getting a conviction of the crime which in of itself carries lengthy and harsh prison terms, if not worse.
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Thuyen
September 21st, 2009 - 9:12:12 PM
One might also point out the stereotyping of white men as to the reasons why they want to date Asian women at play here, too. Fair is fair, right?
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Sally51
September 22nd, 2009 - 10:41:44 AM
Paul...you said that there was no way this was premeditated because Clark was walking around the rooms looking for a place to hide the body...but it may be possible that he did that on purpose to make it appear that the murder was not premeditated, so he would get a lesser punishment if he was caught...just a thought.
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Mark
September 22nd, 2009 - 10:49:48 AM
I think this article is a stretch. Using the word "Asian" to describe Annie Le is analogous to sing the word "Black" to describe an African-American or "Black American". It's meant to convey the same information - namely, the ethnic backgroungd of the person in question. Also, the pundits who made the statement "that they’re easy to control than American women" they were saying this was possibly what Raymond Clarke believed andnot true of Annie Le herself. They were trying to guess about the motives of the killer by invoking stereotypes that HE MIGHT HAVE BELIEVED, not sterotypes that THEY believed were true. Indeed, in some cases these same pundits would point out how Annie Le was not at all like the stereotypes they described......
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Ken
September 22nd, 2009 - 6:48:43 PM
I will admit that this case has struck an emotional chord with me. My wife is similarly tiny, and just before we were to be married, someone behaved oddly enough that a police report was filed, and we left town shortly after we got married. I'll go with others on this: our world is a violent, terrible place. I've been shot once walking home from school, my best friend was killed when I was 13, at least 5 of my female friends have been the victims of rape and abuse. (Races involved with these events: white, mexican, black, asian) I was an honors student in school, an appointee to the Air Force Academy. I didn't run with a bad crowd. I'm 6'0, 220lbs. and have studied some form of full contact martial art for the last 14 years. And I did not chose to stay in a town that had one ounce of predictable threat for my wife. Our world is full of sterotypes and offenses. Its so easy to paint with a wide brush when it comes to things like this. There are real challenges for anyone who dates outside their culture, or expresses interest in someone outside their culture. My wife is from Vietnam. She was born in Ho Chi Minh city. I was born in Texas. Every girl I dated before I met my wife was caucasian or hispanic. Yet when I began dating her, I was immediately labeled with "Yellow-fever" and "Japanaphile". People said that I couldn't handle a 'real' woman. It was truly amazing how stupid people were. When we were married, my in-laws assumed she would stay home and be pregnant within a year. My wife is a Doctor. She is the strongest personality I know. She demands the best of me and I'm a better person for it. I worked to put her through med school. I do the lion's share of the cleaning, and if we ever have kids, I'll be the stay at home parent. I'm thankful that sterotypes aren't true. I'm saddened that everyone assumes that thought patterns are there even when there is scarce evidence and mostly conjecture. And, I think I've lost my point. But mostly I think it is this: our world is becoming less civilized and more violent every day. Decorum, thought and tolerance are disappearing as people replace thought with artificial archetypes and lose the ability to deal with one another. All that is left is a monkey with a thigh bone, solving their problem the only way they know how.
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Eric
September 22nd, 2009 - 6:56:16 PM
Ken Sexuality is tied into concept of race. I have heard plenty of those comments before about white males been with X females but end up marrying asian. Same M.O. as Nicholas Cage and his FOB wife At end you can say all you want, but factor of race still exists in all relationships.
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Jesse
September 22nd, 2009 - 6:59:28 PM
"and now she’s gonna pick some other White guy." Why is this statement even relevant? Is that what Asian women do in America. Pick other white guys? I may be a little naive to the dating culture in the US, but I dont' understand why this statement is even relevant? Like Asian girls don't date Asian guys. If this is the case, then it sucks to be an Asian guy in the states.
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Jesse
September 22nd, 2009 - 7:00:53 PM
I do not live in America by the way.
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Quynh
September 22nd, 2009 - 7:02:04 PM
When most people mention Asian, they think of ethnicity--not necessary not American. When you fill out a form and it asks you for your ethnicity it's usually Asian, African-American, Latin/Hispanic, Caucasian, etc. I think the image that I get from watching the news is that she is an American female student of Asian ethnicity from California studying at Yale. It didn't say she was strictly Vietnamese--an article did state she was "of Vietnamese descent" which of course, alludes to her being an American since it also stated that she was from California. I don't feel there were any negative Asian stereotypes from these news articles at all. As for the statement regarding Asian women as "easier to control", it wasn't meant to propagate that stereotype, rather to show perhaps what was going through his mind before he possibly (he's innocent until proven guilty) killed Annie Le. With a healthy mindset and perhaps some first hand experience one can see that such a claim is terribly unsubstantiated. I hope her killer will be brought to justice and it's such a tragedy. Also, it's a frightening thought that someone that you work with could snap like that. (I must say though, I am an Asian female and I consider myself highly intelligent, athletic, tests have shown I'm excellent at math, people have loved my writings and art, I'm quite attractive according to some and I'm very content and secure with being who I am. I'm also very unapologetic and unashamed to say positive things about myself.)
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Jack Jitsu
September 22nd, 2009 - 8:36:38 PM
Asian women worship White men. Just go to any bar or club in Los Angeles, New York, or San Francisco. You see Asian girls grovelling at the feet of white men. This is a fact.
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Nubb
September 22nd, 2009 - 8:45:37 PM
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v206/scottle/fight/?action=view¤t=MVI_6323-1.flv Asians in America do have to deal with a lot of racism and stereotype from white people. This asian kid was called racist remarks by white kids at his school.
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Thuyen
September 22nd, 2009 - 10:13:35 PM
"Asian women worship White men. Just go to any bar or club in Los Angeles, New York, or San Francisco. You see Asian girls grovelling at the feet of white men. This is a fact." And how is what goes in a bar speak for all Asian women? I have seen plenty of Asian guys have the hots for white girls. Heck, I plead guilty at times, too. So does that mean all Asian guys fall for white girls? No. People are going to be attractive to whoever of the opposite sex, that they are attracted to. Why bash them for that? I don't believe in race at all. Well, I do, but only one- the whole human race- from Adam and Eve.
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Bill
September 22nd, 2009 - 10:29:29 PM
I agree with Ivan's response to Bob's inane and myopic point of view. Regardless of what set Clark off. If someone is raising their voice, getting angry, and or appear to be irrational or simply have a screw loose - walk away. Use your wisdom. The true warrior learns how to walk away or avoid a confrontation. If your life is in danger then defend yourself to the death, but don't add fuel to a fire for pride or to win an argument. As for Clark, perhaps one theory could be that Annie was not overtly rude or dismissive. Many people snap not at the person who is dismissive or verbally abusive but at the person who just happens to be there at the wrong time. Perhaps someone put Clark in his place earlier (a supervisor or colleague) or implied he was a lowly glorified janitor and he had to "eat it" in the moment to avoid getting fired or flying off the handle. As the day wore on, little slights accumulate and he slowly simmers with his own thoughts of career failure, etc. Then he calls Annie in an effort to get his ship back on course in terms of his job and his responsibilities or to point the fault in others. Annie then, at the wrong time, could have made a well intentioned good humored comment about the mice and cages and that could have been mistaken as a slight which probably proved to be the last straw and Clark snapped. Another theory is that he killed her to shut her up about something, perhaps something personal that would damage his relationship with his fiancee. Maybe that's why he strangled her, his aggression focusing on her throat.
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Bee
September 22nd, 2009 - 10:31:59 PM
jack jitsu: fyi i am an asian woman who prefers asian men over white men. maybe you should stop going to bars/clubs and start looking at the "man in the mirror". only then will you get your "facts" straight. best of luck. R.I.P Annie Le
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Optimus Prime
September 22nd, 2009 - 11:15:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK3UCFU0Og asian girls rather date white guys than their own men. its actually kind of funny.
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KD
September 22nd, 2009 - 11:27:46 PM
And to think I have to deal with a supervisor at work who refers to me as "an oriental". When I asked her to please use the term Asian instead of "oriental", her response was "what's the difference"? Geez ...
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steve
September 22nd, 2009 - 11:32:42 PM
It is sad what happened. Why would anyone want to see anything on MSNBC? they are the liberal station who thinks they know all about minorities? I think that guy Clark just had yellow fever although he had a fiance but who wants a white woman, hey the girl Annie Le was probably way better looking than white girl he could find. He was probably just frustrated knowing his "white girl" fiance would be old and fat in a few years and he took it out on Annie.
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Earthling
September 23rd, 2009 - 1:41:24 AM
You are a frakin idiot. Must be Korean. Get the chip off your shoulder and tone down the white hatrid. You are actually a raving bigot.
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Amazed
September 23rd, 2009 - 1:47:53 AM
Funny so many Asians on here complaining about racism, but if you read the comments on here from Asians, they are some of the most vile comments you will here of any race in the us. Just look at steves comments on Caucasian females. What the heck? If anything Asians need to take a serious inward look. This whole thread and article are shameful. It makes Asians not only look incredibly thin-skinned and insecure, but Nazi-era racists. Grow the fck up... We are all humans
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Ekka
September 23rd, 2009 - 4:26:02 AM
Re: Jack: I truly feel sorry for you. You obviously have a racial complex against American Caucasions. Keep blaming the "White Man" for all of humanities troubles, keep playing the role of the victim, that seems to be working real well for you. Obviously rascist attitudes and practices are not limited to a singular race or culture; nor do I condone any form rascism. To identify with ones "race" above and apart of human commonality is a form of rascism. Rascism isn't just about skinheads and burning crosses. It is about division, in that one race is perceived to better or worse than another. Just like how you continue to single out "white." Perhaps some deep introspection is called for. You are so full of hate and fear, that to engage in any type of civil debate with you would provide as much benefit as repeatedly slamming ones head against a brick wall. As you seem to not be able of comprehending what it is I stated, perhaps you should consider remedial study of the English language as the intended meaning of even the most basic and plainly stated concepts seems to elude you. Then again from the general tone of your post it is fairly apparent how biased you are and seem to only be looking to promote your own self serving agenda. It seems that you are looking to blame others and incite disharmonious discourse. So sad. It doesnt matter if something is a hate crime or not, as I stated Violence is wrong. period; or is that just too complex a statement to understand? Why do you need to make it more complex than that unless you are seeking special consideration? To assume I am "white" and that I do not actively oppose rascist attitudes/practices; additionally trying to state that what I do, or don't do, needs to be corrected, when you have no clue who I am or anything personal about me, only proves my point. How you could infer anything apart from what I clearly, and simply, stated from my post, is shallow and/or disingenuous. Good day & may the Great Spirit bless you.
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Ekka
September 23rd, 2009 - 4:45:14 AM
Re: Amazed I have to agree. Not to single out Asians as, sadly, racisms exists in all cultures. But, Asians are guilty of racial complexes as much as any other race; and this includes how they view individual ethnicities and the soci-economic strata of other Asians as well. And yes, I have experienced "racial hatred" from Asians due to my "race". But that doesn't lead me to state that all Asians behave the same way; or that they, as a race, are not deserving of the same respect that all should be given. All races have equal opportunity when it comes to comes to employing ignorance so it seems.
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Steve
September 23rd, 2009 - 7:59:59 AM
To Ekka, Earthing, and Amazed Its interesting when Asians are stereotyped, made fun of, or have racist comment directed its people like you who probably say nothing. I know your answer will be just take it, turn the other cheek etc. but when white people are made fun of its oh you are a racist. Well to quote what white people will say, its just take can't you take a little criticism? I am just exercising my right to free speech. Hey the Klan can march down the street if they want too so I will continue to express my views.
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lirelou
September 23rd, 2009 - 9:56:49 AM
This is off the subject of Annie Le, but pertinent to some commenters here. For those who mentioned hurdles in inter-racial relationships. Race is not the elephant in the room, culture is. It is culture that makes us misogynist or not, racist or not, etc. Granted, someone may not like the scent of a certain race, or the texture of their hair or skin. But inter-cultural relationships raise issues with male-female roles within the nuclear family, obligations to the extended family, who directs the family budget, who makes the decisions as to what cuisine will be standard, what religion any children will be raised in, and who has the final say in household affairs versus career affairs. Racial, ethnic, and cultural differences can influence sexual preferences, but cultural differences are the minefield that inter-cultural couples must negotiate on a daily basis.
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Jack
September 23rd, 2009 - 10:32:21 AM
Re: Ekka Im white you retard
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lulu
September 23rd, 2009 - 12:10:17 PM
there are alot of haters out there towards Asian ppl, and alot of haters of Asian females in particular, I've dated a a couple of white men who had never dated an Asian female before and ppl were very very jealous I would get hateful stares from whites and blacks, esp. blacks, if you are black and trolling on this post, it's black men that worship white girls oh and Naomi Campbell, Tyra Banks, Tracy Bingham, Halle Berry, all suck on or currently sucking on little white dong!
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 12:15:17 PM
this is obviously a hate crime.sigh thank goodness Annie was an Ivy Leaguer her news would have never made it on the national headlines unlike white girls who's news make it all the time no matter what.Just because there are racist comments from Asians on this thread does not mean anything, white ppl can be called crackers but it isn't as hurtful as calling an Asian racial slurs.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 12:26:21 PM
I think because most Asians will not stand up for themselves because we value life and we could be murdered by whites and blacks for standing up for ourselves, it's easy for nonAsians to target Asians,scapegoat us and make up nonsense.White women and black women hate us because we are "stealing their white men".It's pathetic, well I got news for you there are more blacks and white interbreeding and white men have more jungle fever than anything, not "yellow fever".Just because origin of Asian culture is not white culture, then you wanna accuse someone of having a fetish.I've seen white men craving ghetto, dirty black chicks with super bad attitudes and if Asian women were to act like that we'd be murdered, and I'm posting it for all the racist blacks to see who are on this tread.Oh and don't put whites on a pedestal, they are no good, they commit the most sickest crimes, like at Mckinzee Phillips, she slept with her father for 10 years.Look at Oklahoma bombings, Columbine and every white school shooting, the loser white guy who shot ppl in traffic because he didn't want a ticket, the loser white guy who shot and killed 4 cops, and media always finds excuse for their killings.sad
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Karen
September 23rd, 2009 - 12:33:15 PM
I'm from NY. When I went to college in 1965 and met my roommate ( from Lawrence, Kansas) and she found out I was Jewish, she said, "Wow, you must be smart!" I was the first Jewish person she had ever met. I wish that stereotype had been as true as she believed it was!
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Daniel
September 23rd, 2009 - 1:06:35 PM
Isn't it funny how asiaphiles are jumping into this thread having a fit screaming "Don't lump me in with that Ray Clark dude! I'm into Asian chicks but I'm not a psycho perv!" Ummm.. if you're not, then why are you in such a rush to defend yourselves? Oh and just for the record, I'm a White guy.
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Angela S. Choi
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:00:11 PM
Hi Kat! I read your article. I think you'll like my novel that is coming out next April: HELLO KITTY MUST DIE published by Tyrus books. It's a dark satire on all the Asian/Asian-American women stereotypes: http://www.tyrusbooks.com/books/HKMD.htm. That Pat Brown clip is so sad. You wrote a great article. Angela
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:25:12 PM
"Look at Oklahoma bombings, Columbine and every white school shooting, the loser white guy who shot ppl in traffic because he didn’t want a ticket, the loser white guy who shot and killed 4 cops, and media always finds excuse for their killings.sad" I suggest your rantings say alot more than those you bash. You attempt to justify caling whites "crackers"? Do tell again how does that make you different from those you bash as whites committing the worst crimes? Or did we forget about not so ago what the Cambodians did to their fellow men in their country? Or what Communist China did to its own people? Or what Japan did during WW2 to many different nations? Asians (of which I am one) are not above reproach in history when it comes to committing atrocities, war crimes, and other unspeakable crimes. And you are not intellectually honest about the crimes you speak of. I saw you made this claim in another board, and it is equally dishonest, vile, and disgusting. In the other place, you claim Cho did the same things, and the media try to portray him as psycho, but not those like of Columbine. That is truly so not true about the Columbine killers (who are indeed portrayed many times as psychos, racists, haters, etc. by the media). What media made excuses for the Columbine killers? Or for the Oklahoma city bombers? Clamors were called for the heads of those responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing. "White women and black women hate us because we are “stealing their white men”.It’s pathetic, well I got news for you there are more blacks and white interbreeding and white men have more jungle fever than anything, not “yellow fever”. And where your's proof whites as whole hate like that now those like you? May I suggest if you go around displaying that attitude to folks, just maybe the reason they hate you is because of your attitude of personal hatred against whites and blacks, not because of your nationality.
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Cheryl
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:25:39 PM
Thuyen: "One might also point out the stereotyping of white men as to the reasons why they want to date Asian women at play here, too." Yes, it is a stereotype, but one which white men THEMSELVES have created and which some of them have helped to propogate by THEIR OWN behavior. White men, and Western culture, were also responsible for creating the stereotype of 'submissive' Asian women. This goes to show you where the power lies - if you create the stereotype, you are influencing how others see the persons stereotyped. Ken: Your story is a good example of what I said in a previous post: that the actions of Raymond Clark and other white men who may have ulterior motives in dating Asian women make *every* white man who dates an Asian woman look bad. This just goes to show that guys who fetishize Asian women are the enemies of Asian women AND decent white men who did nothing but fall in love with someone who happens to be Asian. Check out this thought-provoking article about inter-racial dating at GenerAsian@NYU: http://www.nyu.edu/clubs/generasian/spring02/Spotlight/colorblind1.htm Steve: I agree with your statement that Asians shouldn't have to "turn the other cheek" all the time or "just ignore it." I disagree with the racist tirades that have been posted, but it is important that suspicions of racism and racial stereotyping (especially ones that lead to violence) be discussed and criticized. Let's not back away from that just because some might tell us we are being "too sensitive." Tell that to Annie Le's family (and to all Asian women who have been negatively stereotyped, or even assaulted by men, b/c of their race). Daniel: Your point is duly taken, but a little overstated :-) Yes, some people on this post may have "protested too much," but I think some really are worried that guys like Raymond Clark will make them all look like pathological psychos. I would defend myself too - especially if I had experienced this criticism unfairly in the past. In my experience, it is not hard to distinguish *upon meeting someone* whether they are interested in Asian women b/c of stereotypes or whether they are just regular guys. Of course, on a blog, that's a lot harder to figure out.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:27:59 PM
"this is obviously a hate crime.sigh thank goodness Annie was an Ivy Leaguer her news would have never made it on the national headlines unlike white girls who’s news make it all the time no matter what." And guess how often their cases of them being victims get called hate crimes even when those who do that to them are of a different color? Hardly ever, if any, that I can remember. "Just because there are racist comments from Asians on this thread does not mean anything, white ppl can be called crackers but it isn’t as hurtful as calling an Asian racial slurs." There's a word for what you do: minimizing your own sins to bash others. And there's another for a person who condemns others for the things one is blatantly guilty of. I will let folks figure that one out.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:28:52 PM
Thuyen you are a dumb gook that is sucking hard on white dick, it's bitches like you weak bitches like you that Asians get picked on so bad.Keep hating yourself and finding an excuse for whites to pick on Asians, cocksucker.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:30:08 PM
btw Thuyen bitch go back to school and learn to type a sentence with correct thoughts, oh you must not have to be around whites, once upon a time I was naive like you, then I found out how racist they are, fuck you cocksucker.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:32:37 PM
"Yes, it is a stereotype, but one which white men THEMSELVES have created and which some of them have helped to propogate by THEIR OWN behavior. White men, and Western culture, were also responsible for creating the stereotype of ’submissive’ Asian women. This goes to show you where the power lies – if you create the stereotype, you are influencing how others see the persons stereotyped." That still does not justify the stereotype. By your own logic, Asian women are responsible for the stereotypes of them on the basis of SOME of them doing what the stereotype says by their own BEHAVIOUR. Guess what? Asian culture itself in the years I grew up did alot to propogate that very stereotype you now blame white culture for propagating. Not saying it is fair, since people are individuals and should not be stereotypes even according to the culture they are born into. But just saying, your own arguments also work against you. And as I said before, there are plenty of stereotypes Asians have of whites, blacks, etc., that are pretty awful, too. No color or culture truly can say it is without sin in this area, enough to throw stones at other cultures.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:33:19 PM
It's white bitches that created the term "Asiaphile" these same white bitches are the ones that fly to Asia to molest kids and solicitate hookers, and then label all Asian ppl.What does that make these white men?Sex starved perverted pedophile psycho murders.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:37:10 PM
"Thuyen you are a dumb gook that is sucking hard on white dick, it’s bitches like you weak bitches like you that Asians get picked on so bad.Keep hating yourself and finding an excuse for whites to pick on Asians, cocksucker." I can hold my own in a fight, thank you. You validated my point. You are indeed a hate-filled human being, and you sure are not above making racist slurs against Asians, the very thing you whined about in others. Like I said, what is the word for one who condemns in others the very things one is guilty of? You are really projecting there. "btw Thuyen bitch go back to school and learn to type a sentence with correct thoughts, oh you must not have to be around whites, once upon a time I was naive like you, then I found out how racist they are, fuck you cocksucker." Real mature there. NOT! I can proper English, thank. You sound more like the racists against Asians you complained about. Look in the mirror, maybe? And I live in America for 34 years out of my 35 years of life, most of it living in neighborhoods made of mostly whites. I have white friends, Asian friends, black friends, etc. I also have folks I truly dislike from all those colors, and I have seen my fair of racism from different folks. Nice try though. I am just saying you are very much the very things you despised in others.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:38:45 PM
Thuyen I'm assuming you are an Asian male with a very small dick and brain and blaming Asians for a white person's fault.By typing nonsense that no one is reading you are living up to the stereotype of a small dick gook.Now 1 out of 2 white females intercept black cock by very unattractive ghetto black males but no one says anything about them having a black fetish and the wiggers that are into dirty hairy, they definately have jungle fever.Anyways fuck you Thuyen.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:43:58 PM
"Thuyen I’m assuming you are an Asian male with a very small dick and brain and blaming Asians for a white person’s fault." I don't assume you ugly on the inside. I KNOW YOU ARE. And, no, I don't blame Asians for the white person's fault. No, you are blaming others for your own behaviour. I simply pointed out when white men committed crimes like at Columbine, they are indeed JUSTIIFABLY villified by the media as murderers. psychos, wicked, etc. "By typing nonsense that no one is reading you are living up to the stereotype of a small dick gook.Now 1 out of 2 white females intercept black cock by very unattractive ghetto black males but no one says anything about them having a black fetish and the wiggers that are into dirty hairy, they definately have jungle fever.Anyways fuck you Thuyen." No one? You sure did, and you seem obsessed with that. There are plenty of white supremacist RACIST websites like Stormfront for you to find such nonsense about interracial relationships or to spew at yourself about those things. You are very much like them. Get help. Spewing hate after hate at other races don't make things better for you. It makes you worse.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:46:33 PM
Cheryl: I agree with your statement that Asians shouldn’t have to “turn the other cheek” all the time or “just ignore it.” Me: I agree with you there. Where it does happen, and where the evidence shows that hate crimes against Asians have occurred on the basis of them being Asians, we do need to speak out against that. We do need to avoid assuming that this is the case each and every time, just because the colors of those involved are different, but it is an important issue to discuss, agree on, disagree on, or whichever.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:46:50 PM
Gook Thuyen says "I can proper English" and And where your’s proof whites as whole hate like that now those like you?" wow Gook Thuyen really makes sense.Don't justify racism against Asians, oh and I didn't read 95% of the shit you posted, that long ass novel nobody wants to read,bitch go fuck yourself.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:48:49 PM
"wow Gook Thuyen really makes sense.Don’t justify racism against Asians, oh and I didn’t read 95% of the shit you posted, that long ass novel nobody wants to read,bitch go fuck yourself" So if you did not read 95 percent of what I wrote, how can you know I am spouting nonsense? lol I am not even upset you used a racist slur at me. I am just sad for you that as fellow Asian, you have to resort to that. Regardless, Christ still loves you.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:50:07 PM
Comparing what the Japanese did to the Chinese is like comparing what the Nazis did to the Jewish I'm talking about racism from another race, not within the race.Anyways don't justify racism I faced from whites and blacks, they come up to me and start talking racist shit for no reason.Self hating bitch you are Thuyen.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:51:02 PM
"Don’t justify racism against Asians" And where did I justify racism against Asians? Maybe, based on that false claim, you are telling the truth- that you did not read 95 percent of what I wrote. That only makes your claims about what I said that much more nonsense.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:52:16 PM
The thoughts I put in quotation makes no sense whatsoever, are you trying to convey a sentence?Christ loves me?Oh goodness another super white washed gook wannabe cracker.Why aren't you buddhist?That's that white religion that if fucking with your head.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:54:04 PM
"Comparing what the Japanese did to the Chinese is like comparing what the Nazis did to the Jewish I’m talking about racism from another race, not within the race.Anyways don’t justify racism I faced from whites and blacks, they come up to me and start talking racist shit for no reason.Self hating bitch you are Thuyen." Sorry, but the Nazis don't see the Jews as of the same race. And the Japanese saw other Asians during WW2 as lesser races. And let's not revise what you said. You were making comments to show how whites are the ones committing the "sickest crimes", by pointing out Columbine, Ok. City bombings, etc. Last I check those two crimes were done by whites directly at fellow whites with a lesser number of non-whites as victims.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 2:55:35 PM
"Anyways don’t justify racism I faced from whites and blacks, they come up to me and start talking racist shit for no reason.Self hating bitch you are Thuyen." I didn't justify racism you faced from whites and blacks. I pointed out that by spewing racism at others, even including your own kind, you forfeit the high ground you may claim for yourself.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 3:08:14 PM
"I’ve done nothing to anyone to have them say that to me, it’s all the hate I’ve faced that has me angry.And I’m disappointed but no surprised that a dumb gook like you would justify racism towards Asians and saying Asian women deserve it.Fucking self hater.Just go kill yourself, you are worthless, piece of shit." And I have taken plenty of racism from whites, blacks, Hispanics, even fellow Asians in my lifetime. So? People are people. I can go on and live life to the fullest or I can live in self-pity full of hate for different groups of people of different colors that feel have done me wrong. Be stronger than what you are displaying. Living a life full of hate and rage against others of different colors on the basis of what some of them did to you in the past, or present, is no way to live. I am sorry you got hurt and angry by what others said. I have been there. But you cannot let that define you as a person.
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Deb
September 23rd, 2009 - 3:15:01 PM
Shes is not ASIAN-AMERICAN , she was born in Canada and came here when she was litlle.Period.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 3:17:17 PM
"Shes is not ASIAN-AMERICAN , she was born in Canada and came here when she was litlle.Period." If she became a citizen of the US, then that would make her Asian-American. Or maybe Asian-Canadian-American? :) Don't know if she was citizen of the US or not.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 3:18:55 PM
I do hope and pray that Annie Le's family and fiance find peace and comfort through the tragedy that struck them, and find strength and solace in the killer being caught. Sad for everyone involved. :(
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 3:42:49 PM
One more thing, WOW, my religion is for all people, regardless of color, sex, age, etc. You are just wrong to claim it is a "white religion."
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Smith
September 23rd, 2009 - 3:46:52 PM
http://www.documentary-log.com/d14-guys-and-dolls/ this is what happens when creepy asian fetishes get even creepier.
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steve
September 23rd, 2009 - 5:30:29 PM
Im a white guy that was almost in the same situation with an asian girl I was suppossed to marry
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steve
September 23rd, 2009 - 5:38:38 PM
I did not know Annie Le rest her soul but in order for her to be killed in this way she had to be involved with someone else sexually maybe a professor,the lab tech or someone.I felt alot of anger when I found out my soon to be asian wife was playing me for a fool and wanted the security of marriage but have a guy on the side.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 6:34:52 PM
"I did not know Annie Le rest her soul but in order for her to be killed in this way she had to be involved with someone else sexually maybe a professor,the lab tech or someone.I felt alot of anger when I found out my soon to be asian wife was playing me for a fool and wanted the security of marriage but have a guy on the side." Just because that's the case with your bride-to-be does not mean it is the case with Annie Le.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 7:34:34 PM
Steve nobody believes your white ugly ass, Asian women are not welfare mothers, we're not on Maury looking for our baby daddies.Asian women are capable of providing for themselves despite the circumstances.It's a dumb stereotype you white motherfuckers created out of hate for Asians.Most of you white ppl are crooked poor broke ass bitches anyways that use your skin color for gain.Oh look at all the white hookers on "Millionaire Listing" wanting to marry a rich guy or the white playboy hookers sucking on that 90 year old man's droopy dry balls, your white female are the ultimate golddiggers.Bitch.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 7:36:37 PM
And don't justify Annie Le's killing.Killing can be part of human nature, but killing because of a superiority complex is part of white ppl's nature, as well as for money etc.And Thuyen you better shut the fuck up bitch, I'm not talking to you.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 7:43:34 PM
"And don’t justify Annie Le’s killing.Killing can be part of human nature, but killing because of a superiority complex is part of white ppl’s nature, as well as for money etc.And Thuyen you better shut the fuck up bitch, I’m not talking to you." That's rich since you are indeed talking to me, telling me to shut the f- up. Your hatred shows for your fellow man and woman in each of your post. Killing is part of white man's nature? White female automatically mean ultimate golddiggers?
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 7:46:04 PM
Looks like an article got it right- Annie Le's killing does bring out the imbeciles and racists from among us- be it from Asians, whites, or whoever. I just see them as all trolls, who say things just to flame folks and offend people for the heck of it.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 7:54:05 PM
"I did not know Annie Le rest her soul but in order for her to be killed in this way she had to be involved with someone else sexually maybe a professor,the lab tech or someone.I felt alot of anger when I found out my soon to be asian wife was playing me for a fool and wanted the security of marriage but have a guy on the side." It is unfair to blame all Asian women for one Asian woman did to you. I am sorry that it happened to you (I know what it is like to have a heart broken by someone I love). But not all Asians, be it men or women, are the same as each other. Don't think just because one did you over, that others will do the same. And I speak in terms of just any woman you might meet in the future, be it Asian, white, or whatever. Treat each as an individual with a different character, personality, etc.
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 8:07:34 PM
Thuyen, when a white person posts something racist towards Asians you have very little to say, I say a few things about whitey and you start trippin, you are the ultimate self-hater.You are the kid that keeps his head down when you get made fun of or spat on.Hey we have to walk away sometimes from certain battles because it's not worth it, but you are pathetic.Oh and you are a loser with no life, I have been at work for 10 hours already, you have been on this tread all day it seems, how pathetic.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 8:17:25 PM
"Thuyen, when a white person posts something racist towards Asians you have very little to say, I say a few things about whitey and you start trippin, you are the ultimate self-hater." No, you say alot more than alot of folks combined, and you were the most blatant in terms of racial hatred I have ever seen on any given board. And let's see here, I took issue with a comment very early on from someone who stereotyped Asian women as worshipping white men. I took issue with this last poster's statement that Annie Le must somehow be blamed for her death, based on his wife-to-be's actions. Besides those posts and your many posts which are so much more blatantly racism than the other ones mentioned, I see very little racism against anybody- just regular disagreements on what took place with Le's death and cultural differences. Let's put it this way- before we can cry foul as Asians at racism of others, clean up our own house first. In a sense, I am holding my own culture to higher standard it claims for itself on this issue. Hardly, self-hating at all. You want to set your own standards for yourself low on how to act but standards for others high in regards how to act in dealing with those of people of other colors, fine. Just know that as you have the right to speak in those terms that are offensive and mean-spirited, folks have the equal right to speak out against what you are saying.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 8:24:05 PM
"You are the kid that keeps his head down when you get made fun of or spat on." No, I just don't stoop down to the level of racists and race baiters, period (well not since my teenage years, when I occasionally get into fist fights with racists who mock my nationality). I simply respond as an adult by rebutting their nonsense with logic, reasoning, etc., not going into diatribes about how inferior they are morally or whatever based on the color of their skin. Just because I don't go racist at whole groups of people of different colors than mine does not mean I just take it when spat upon. More proof you don't know what you are talking about. "Hey we have to walk away sometimes from certain battles because it’s not worth it, but you are pathetic.Oh and you are a loser with no life, I have been at work for 10 hours already, you have been on this tread all day it seems, how pathetic." Or really? Let's see here. I had an eight hour shift, with an hour of break in between where I hang at home to rest and play on the net. And I got on the net for a little bit after work, then lift weights with persoanl trainer for half an hour, then eat and rest, then back online. Hardly online all day. What's sad is the only thing you can respond with is namecallings all over your posts and throwing out racial slurs at my Vietnamese heritage (which I am sure would have been offensive to Le and her family) and whites alike. What's really offensive is you use a tragedy and a death of someone of our ethnicity as excuse to go and villify anyone who is not Asian.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 8:45:53 PM
Now back to listening to Cradle of Filth and any gothic metal song I am in mood for. Night all!
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wow
September 23rd, 2009 - 9:08:22 PM
Hey Thuyen, do you want to be myspace friends? I love you so much.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 9:09:27 PM
Oh my god. So sweet. I love you too. Please do me from behind. *kiss*
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Cheryl
September 23rd, 2009 - 9:13:09 PM
Re: Steve's "Im a white guy that was almost in the same situation with an asian girl I was suppossed to marry. I did not know Annie Le rest her soul but in order for her to be killed in this way she had to be involved with someone else sexually maybe a professor,the lab tech or someone.I felt alot of anger when I found out my soon to be asian wife was playing me for a fool and wanted the security of marriage but have a guy on the side." Steven - you're on dangerous territory with that statement. You were "almost in the same situation"? Are we supposed to assume by this that you almost killed your fiance? Careful. Looks like you're situation is in NO way like Le's and Clark's. I do not at all think that Le was having a sexual relationship with Clark. But it would make no difference anyway, because in what world does cheating justify murder?? How dare you suggest that Annie Le may have done something to *deserve* being killed. That is preposterous.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 10:01:44 PM
"Oh my god. So sweet. I love you too. Please do me from behind. *kiss* I presume that is you, Wow, writing my name to pretend to be me. That is low if that's you. Or whoever did that, if it is not you. Pretending to be someone else is as trollish as one can get.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 10:03:00 PM
"How dare you suggest that Annie Le may have done something to *deserve* being killed. That is preposterous." I agree with you 100 percent there.
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Thuyen
September 23rd, 2009 - 11:10:27 PM
"How dare you suggest that Annie Le may have done something to *deserve* being killed. That is preposterous." I disagree with you 100 percent there.
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Ah me seh so
September 24th, 2009 - 2:28:38 AM
As an educator, I can say that I have had many Asian and Asian American students in my office, needing someone to talk to because of the pressure their parents are placing on them to succeed. The saddest cases are those students who should be taking art/humanties but are being forced into the sciences. In addition to that, the prevailing attitude that Western women are "free," whilst all other women are opressed needs to be challenged. Not only does this idea lead to an "othering" of non-western women, but it also allows for the continued opression of women in the west to face less scrutiny. It also supposes that if Western women are "free" then Western men must somehow be more enlightened. The crime statistics do not bear this out. We have a global problem, which was pointed out at the Women's Conference in China almost a decade ago. Treat your sons and daughters with the same consideration...
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steve
September 24th, 2009 - 5:17:24 AM
Im sorry to say you guys dont understand my point,The annie le case was not a case of workplace violence,thats what the police and media want you to believe .Its a case of what can happen if a girl no matter what race gets involved with more then one guy.We need to stop treating women as completely innocent and men as evil.She was only going to marry the ugly jewish guy because she thought he and his family had money.The jewish religion does not want their people to marry outside their race.We do you think he or his family never appeared on tv pleading for her safe return,its because his parents controlled him and really did not want him to marry her.Just for your information I did not hare anybody but the point is I felt like it,human nature.Look at lorannie bobbit who cut of her husbands penis for cheating.Im a nice guy who found another asian girl that I have been with the last five years so dont think Im evil for my feelins about human nature.Sure Annie le did not deserve to die but you also have to look at karma,I heard she was disecting mice while they were still alive who is here to defend the truly innocent mice,Please respond,Thanks
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Jao
September 24th, 2009 - 6:33:48 AM
I have to disagree with you. No one know whether or not she was involved with more than one person. And what about the fact that he too had a fiance? Remember it take two to tango. whatever it may be workplace, racial, heart break, jealousy motivated, that does not give anyone the right to kill someone. Loving someone doesn't mean that you love them for their race, you love for who they are. you comment about her wanted to marry someone for money may or may not be true, but just because she happened to fall in love with a person outside of her race who came from an affluent family, doesn't mean that she wanted to marry for money. people have to stop thinking like that. she is a third year medical student do you think that she was worried about her future and money situation? is not like she didn't have an education or ambition, that is marring for money, she is someone that worked hard to get where she is and can hold her own. and just because his "jewish" family did not come out doesn't mean they where oppose to the wedding or didn't care for her. in general families always prefer to have their kids marry someone that have similar background and beliefs whether they are of any race. but there are a lot of people that marry outside of their race, because the world has gotten smaller. and Judaism, Catholicism, hinduism, Buddhism,Muslim is a religion not a race, people can convert into any religion no matter or race. Wether or not she did or didn't do anything anything to this guy, a life is a live and one is not weighted more than another, it doesn't give anyone the right to take it. any anyone that has take a bio class in college remember that they have to dissect, they were a life too before.
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Cheryl
September 24th, 2009 - 6:44:46 AM
Steve: You "found another asian girl"?? Is that your m.o? Just find another Asian girl? Would you have dated her if she wasn't Asian? or are Asian women just your preference? If so, why? You appear to be exactly the type of person who should NOT be posting on this blog. And exactly the type of person who would defend Clark's madness. Why are you making assumptions about Annie Le's relationship with Clark? Just so you can justify to yourself why he may have killed her? No one deserves to die for cheating (which I do NOT think Annie Le did), nor do they deserve to die because they experimented on mice. You would put the lives of mice above a human being's? You are completely projecting your sad situation onto this case, with alarming and ridiculous (re: mice) results. I hope that "latest Asian girlfriend" is working out for you. She probably deserves a lot better - I wish she knew that. Cheryl
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Cheryl
September 24th, 2009 - 7:10:20 AM
Also, Steve: "Sure Annie le did not deserve to die but you also have to look at karma" Karma, in it's basic sense, actually means "getting what you deserve." I know I mentioned this already but this comment is too good not to revisit: "I heard she was disecting mice while they were still alive who is here to defend the truly innocent mice,Please respond" You clearly wrote that while on crack, so I'll try to ignore that one.
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Cheryl
September 24th, 2009 - 7:11:31 AM
Also Steve, I'm glad you find Asian women so replaceable. This should stand you in good stead when your current 'Asian girlfriend' finally realizes she can do a lot better than you. Are there any other Asian women on this blog who are as disgusted as I am? I *can't* be the only one.
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Thuyen
September 24th, 2009 - 8:10:23 AM
"I disagree with you 100 percent there." Whoever is taking my name to post words that I did not say, get a life. How low can one be to pretend to be me or any other poster, just to put words in their mouths and make them out to have views they don't? Pathetic. Wow, did you do this?
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Thuyen
September 24th, 2009 - 8:15:48 AM
Kat or whoever runs the blog: Can you please put a stop to someone pretending to be me? I am sure give the info we put in regarding our email addresses you can see the differences of persons. Someone is pretending to me so the person can make juvenile, sexist, and racist remarks in my name, and I think that is way out of bounds in regards to net etiquette. Thanks.
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Thuyen
September 24th, 2009 - 8:20:33 AM
"She was only going to marry the ugly jewish guy because she thought he and his family had money." And how do you know that? Can you read her heart or her mind? It looks like your heart got broken, but don't take it out on a victim you don't even know. "The jewish religion does not want their people to marry outside their race." Proof? "We do you think he or his family never appeared on tv pleading for her safe return,its because his parents controlled him and really did not want him to marry her." I have seen the news, and I believe you are dead wrong there. "Just for your information I did not hare anybody but the point is I felt like it,human nature.Look at lorannie bobbit who cut of her husbands penis for cheating." Wrong, she did it because he raped and sodomized her. It does not mean what she did was right, but hard for me to blame her or to feel sorry for her husband. "Im a nice guy who found another asian girl that I have been with the last five years so dont think Im evil for my feelins about human nature.Sure Annie le did not deserve to die but you also have to look at karma,I heard she was disecting mice while they were still alive who is here to defend the truly innocent mice,Please respond,Thanks" She did her job so that the rest of us can benefit for medical purposes. It seems you put the lives of animals above human beings. That's truly sad.
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Thuyen
September 24th, 2009 - 8:21:59 AM
One more thing- to whoever runs the blog- can you check to see if the same person who posted under name "wow" is the same person who pretended to be me by comparing email addresses? Thanks!
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Thuyen
September 24th, 2009 - 8:33:32 AM
"Would you have dated her if she wasn’t Asian? or are Asian women just your preference? If so, why?" It is actually common for anyone of any race to say I found someone new after having a previous bad relationship to get over a broken heart. Maybe the fact his new one is Asian is incidental. But still pretty much everything else, he wrote, I agree, is pretty offensive and your responses beat me to it.
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Francis
September 24th, 2009 - 9:42:10 AM
Asian American is the ter. Good point - we don't Native American's Natives, or African Americans Africans. One I'm happy to say has left our vocabulary is "oriental" -- that was a real ambiguous term! And archaic.
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xanix
September 24th, 2009 - 11:54:13 AM
It's pretty clear that "Asian" was used as a descriptor for race of a person and I don't see anything wrong with it. Should I now require to be called White-American or Caucasian-American? A person who wrote this article clearly hadn't filled out any job or school applications recently, where you're routinely asked to state whether you're "Asian", "Caucasian", "Laino-Hispanic", "Black", etc. Should I sue Federal government for this now?
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Thuyen
September 24th, 2009 - 2:27:25 PM
"It’s pretty clear that “Asian” was used as a descriptor for race of a person and I don’t see anything wrong with it. Should I now require to be called White-American or Caucasian-American?" That's true. Not every whites were born in this country when it was founded. Not even every white were born in this country that are living now. In fact, when the Italians and Irish came over from Europe during the 1850s, they themselves faced intense hostility from those already here, partially for their ethnicity, and partially for their Catholicism. Those were the "minority groups" then.
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steve
September 24th, 2009 - 8:33:45 PM
Cheryl ,If your asian I would be willing to bet you would find me to be a very nice guy if you met me.Im not Doctor Evil like you might think.My girfriend knows Im a good guy and understand my hurt from my first girlfriend from Taiwan.She is from Hong kong and was also hurt by her first white husband who cheated on her.Thats one reason we get along.I prefer asian women because thats what Im attracted to.Why are asian women attracted to white guys?Im not trying to upset people rather try to understand the emotions for a man who loves a women is differant then a womens love for a man.Something deeper was going on at Yale with Annie le and Raymond clark then him just being upset about cleaning the mice cages.I think it was he did not like his girlfriend and was in love with Annie le and didnt know how to stop her from being with the jewish guy .They worked together for a while.You cant honestly tell me that you think the jewish guy is attractive.Annie Le was attractive and maybe she found raymond attractive because he had muscles.Im hope you understand men look for differant traits in a women then what women look for in a man.
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Thuyen
September 24th, 2009 - 10:21:52 PM
"They worked together for a while.You cant honestly tell me that you think the jewish guy is attractive.Annie Le was attractive and maybe she found raymond attractive because he had muscles.Im hope you understand men look for differant traits in a women then what women look for in a man." Most of the women I know do not put looks first, but character in a man. And I mean women, be it Asian, white, black, Hispanic, etc. And how do you know Le is not attractive to her husband-to-be? And it is fallacious to say even if true that Ray had a thing for Le, that must mean Le had the same for him. We don't even know if the premise is true, let alone the conclusion you reached. This is just reaching. I recognize you were hurt by a past relationship, and I am sorry to hear that about you, as well as your current girlfriend also being hurt by a past relationship. But don't assume people, be it men or women, are all the same.
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steve
September 25th, 2009 - 7:22:28 AM
We are secrets to each other Each one's life a novel No-one else has read. Even joined in bonds of love, We're linked to one another By such slender threads. We are planets to each other, Drifting in our orbits To a brief eclipse. Each of us a world apart, Alone and yet together, Like two passing ships. Chorus Just between us, I think it's time for us to recognize The differences we sometimes fear to show. Just between us, I think it's time for us to realize The spaces in between Leave room for you and I to grow. We are strangers to each other, Full of sliding panels, An illusion show. Acting well-rehearsed routines Or playing from the heart? It's hard for one to know. Chorus We are islands to each other, Building hopeful bridges On a troubled sea. Some are burned or swept away, Some we would not choose, But we're not always free. Chorus
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George
September 25th, 2009 - 7:56:10 AM
Steve: The best post!
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wow
September 26th, 2009 - 10:35:16 AM
Thuygen, why are you accusing me of pretending to be you?Second ppl that are saying this girl was going to marry this guy because she thought he had money are idiots.It may be as stereotyped from hookers you solicitated in Asia but don't apply it to Asian women.If I had seen Annie Le on Maury Provich looking for her baby daddy or if Annie Le had about 10 kids and was on welfare then maybe I'd consider your theory but Annie Le was a hardworking individual, maybe the Jewish guy wanted to marry her because he thought she had money.Stop with the ignorance.
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wow
September 26th, 2009 - 4:49:03 PM
Steve you are one ignorant dumb fuck."Why are Asian girls attracted to white guys"? What the fuck are you trying to imply.Did you ever think if an Asian girl is attracted to a white guy it's because how he looks?Or any human being for that matter.I know I'm attracted to someone because of how they look it's called preference.Asshole.
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steve
September 27th, 2009 - 4:37:20 AM
WOW, You look like you very angry at something.Is it you dont like white guys going out with asian girls.I have heard that asian guys dont treat asian girls good and thats why they look to white guys.
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steve
September 28th, 2009 - 7:50:15 AM
Something does not add up in the Annie Le case.Why would Raymond Clark do it if he had his own girlfriend and was supposed to marry her.I think someone else did it and made it look like he did it.Maybe his girlfriend did it and he cleaned up the mess.Maybe the professor did his who at the last minute cancelled his class.How about the boyfriend did the police every prove that he never left New york that week and knew where he was.How about a animal rights person.I dont see motive as dirty mice cages.Look at the case of 5 guys being accused of rape then the women says she made it up.What make me sick is the prosecuter who is a women did not put her in jail for filing a false report.There is a double standard,the 5 guys will always be liioked at as potential rapest by society .
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Min
September 28th, 2009 - 7:46:28 PM
Hi Steve, Please note in advance, Im not attempting to judge you, but you brought up some interesting issues from my perspective that Im wondering what your response will be. "I have heard that asian guys dont treat asian girls good and thats why they look to white guys" I assume, since you date asian woman, that you dont consider yourself a racist. You posed the the statement in a proper fashion in which you claim that you 'heard' that asian guys dont treat asian women well. So here are my questions to you. Where did you hear that from? Your girlfriend? No matter who it comes from, doesnt it strike you as a pretty racist generalization? Im gonna assume that you probably heard it from an asian woman (perhaps one of your girlfriends)? Not accusing you again, but I often hear people say, well I heard it from another asian so it must be true (which would be pretty poor reasoning!) For the record, I am an asian male, I dont resent inter racial mixing, but I do get annoyed by what I call self racists. Im making a lot of assumptions here, but if you did hear this from your girlfriend, I have a question for her as well. How do people determine your race? Usually by your looks, If your girlfriend has determined that she wouldnt date an entire race, how will she feel if she has a son that takes after her and looks like an asian male?
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steve
September 29th, 2009 - 6:13:18 AM
Hello Min,Im glad to get a response from an asian male.I have nothing against asian males its just I have had heard from my asian girlfriends that they like white guys.Im sure there are alot of good asian guys out there.If you wanted to date white girls it would not bother me at all.The world seems to run on stereotypes.I have dated white women and got tired of their attitude and at the advice of my Indian friend tried to date ouside my race and I like asian women better.Would the world be a better place if every one stayed in their own race? Would Annie Le still be alive if she was going to marry a asian guy.I dont buy the Raymond Clark story that he did it just because she was not keeping the mice cages clean.Im going out on a limb but you know and I know that most women are much better at hiding cheating then men and I think she had to be involved with someone at Yale thats the only way I can see a man wanting to choke her to death,maybe the other guy who ever it was could not stand the thought of her marring the Jewish guy.I think she was catholic or christian and I dont understand her with a jewish guy,I would like to hear your thoughts
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steve
September 29th, 2009 - 6:31:01 AM
Some additional thoughts,The world is the way it is because humans unlike animals lie,cheat,manipulate,decieve act dis-honestly in order to gain someting.Animals only kill each other to eat.We are the most dangerous animals on the planet.There is a thing that goes on in the world that I have seen in both men and women that even if they are getting married they think its ok to have a fling right up to the wedding day and sometimes beyond.Thats why I really dont believe in marrage anymore the is too much deception in relationships.Everyone has secrets you me ,everyone.Until we can be truly honest ugly things will happen
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steve
September 29th, 2009 - 6:34:29 AM
I've got my own moral compass to steer by A guiding star beats a spirit in the sky And all the preaching voices - Empty vessels of dreams so loud As they move among the crowd Fools and thieves are well disguised In the temple and market place Like a stone in the river Against the floods of spring I will quietly resist Like the willows in the wind Or the cliffs along the ocean I will quietly resist I don't have faith in faith I don't believe in belief You can call me faithless I still cling to hope And I believe in love And that's faith enough for me I've got my own spirit level for balance To tell if my choice is leaning up or down And all the shouting voices Try to throw me off my course Some by sermon, some by force Fools and thieves are dangerous In the temple and market place Like a forest bows to winter Beneath the deep white silence I will quietly resist Like a flower in the desert That only blooms at night I will quietly resist
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George
September 29th, 2009 - 10:01:58 AM
"Would the world be a better place if every one stayed in their own race?" Define race. In Asia race is defined as ethnicity. When Koreans say interracial, it means non-Korean...not the general American definition of black, white etc. "Would Annie Le still be alive if she was going to marry a asian guy." Dont know. However, if her fiancee was Chinese or another Asian, she might have been disowned. Many Asians would rather have their kids marry within their own ethnic group...Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. If they dont marry within the ethnic group, they would rather have them marry white. I know families who disowned one daughter for marrying a different Asian ethnic group, but was excited about another daughter marrying white. Self hate? May be. But, it is probably historic hatred.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 11:40:59 AM
George you are a liar,I know white ppl that think they are black and only date black ppl, can you say self hate? Steve white ppl have a superiority complex and trip over the littlest thing, I think being psychotic is a white thing.Look at the white man that killed himself and his kids, yet another incident.You wouldn't understand as you have no real struggle, that's why white ppl go crazy when stuff like bad economy happens, also money is what white ppl are all about.Anyways, this Clark guy was a racist and murdered her because he thought she was inferiorI had to watch what I do or say around white ppl becaus they go crazy and try to hurt or shoot you..And he was jealous, accept it and move on.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 11:46:37 AM
George, even if you are Asian you dont't know shit about Asian culture.Just because you make shit up about Asians disapproving of interethnicity and not white and Asian that is bullshit.As an Asian female My parents tell me all the time to please not marry a white person because they are no good, lazy, rude, etc.They don't care if I marry a Chinese, Vietnamese etc, they would be equally happy with any.My brother is dating a Thai/Japanese girl and my parents adore her.So you don't know what you are talking about, stfu.
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min
September 29th, 2009 - 12:01:16 PM
Ok well lots of responeses to cover so... "If you wanted to date white girls it would not bother me at all." Haha, good to hear, I would hope that to be the case! Im sure youve experienced how you can get funny looks from both asians and whites as an interracial couple. Actually, Ive have dated more white then asian girls myself. "The world seems to run on stereotypes" Yes, too many people actually believe in Sterotypes. Doesnt mean you have to as well! It seems like you have fallen into a few yourself based on your statements. I say this cause based on your own words you have determined that all white women have this "attitude" and asian women do not. There is a huge difference between making some broad 'assumptions' from Stereotypes (that we all have) and completely believing a stereotype to be true. As I say with any stereo type, have you met every single asian woman and every single white woman on the planet? "Would the world be a better place if every one stayed in their own race?" No, I have no problem with inter racial mixing. I do have problems with people who base their dating habits on race because like it or not, even if you are discriminating against your own race its still the definition of racism. Let me be clear here, again, there is difference between saying well, I tend to like asian women but I wont rule out a white woman and saying I ONLY like asian woman. Again, huge difference As far as the Raymond thing, I have a hard time believing someone would do this over rat dung as well, but haha, if he is guilty, dont try to think like him, cause unless you are a killer, rational thoughts that you or I have do not necessarily apply to his warped mind. But again, as you stated earlier, its important to give the man his day in court. "I think she was catholic or christian and I dont understand her with a jewish guy" So you are saying that you have a problem with this as well? if you are religious, I would think that your religion would preach tolerance. If not, who cares. Personally, I dont care what their religions were, for me thats something between the couple Sorry to hear that you have such a cynical outlook on relationships, your point about humans being the most dangerous animal is well taken. So let me ask this, would you cheat on a girlfriend, or be dishonest to the point where it would harm your relationship? Since you are sensitive to these issues I would hope that your answer would be no. So I would then say to you, see, there are people who are sensitive to these issues, dont beleieve yourself to be alone in this regard. While the world is overrun with dishonesty and cheating, its doesnt apply to everyone. Hopefully your girlfriend you have now can help me prove that point... haha but time will tell! "Define race. In Asia race is defined as ethnicity. When Koreans say interracial, it means non-Korean…not the general American definition of black, white etc." Sigh.. while I understand the point you are making, as a Korean myself, haha its not how I define race. Yes there are some Koreans that are like that, but honestly its more of the older generation. "Many Asians would rather have their kids marry within their own ethnic group…" Ive seen this with Asians but again, not exclusive. I know a white family where one son married a black girl and one an asian girl. The son who marrier the black girl is all but disowned. But the asian girl is OK... go figure.. Oh ya, Last thing, Steve, Please ask your girlfriend the question I posed. If Asian men are undesirable such that she wouldnt date them, how will she feel if she has a son that looks like a 'typical' asian male?
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George
September 29th, 2009 - 1:20:00 PM
Wow: Good for you and your parents. Not my experience though! And not the experience of Asians I know.
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George
September 29th, 2009 - 1:29:26 PM
"Sigh.. while I understand the point you are making, as a Korean myself, haha its not how I define race. Yes there are some Koreans that are like that, but honestly its more of the older generation. " Korean Americans consider Asians a race. Koreans back in Korea consider Korean a race. Am I right? "Ive seen this with Asians but again, not exclusive. I know a white family where one son married a black girl and one an asian girl. The son who marrier the black girl is all but disowned. But the asian girl is OK… go figure.." I also know a white family where one son was disowned for marrying and South Asian but the other was not...the difference..the first son married a dark skinned Tamil from South India and was disowned and the second married a near white skinned Kashmiri from North India and she could pass for white. Recently, the old movie, South Pacific was in the news..and the white female character Nellie Forbush who refuses to date a Frenchman because he was previously married to a Polynesian. People said times had changed by 1984. Then at a midwestern university a bunch of white women in a library were telling each other how they could never date a white guy who date an Asian..well in 2008 they told me times had changed. Then half way around the world in Singapore, I ran into a bunch of white twenty something expat females from the US...who were telling each other that they could not date one certain man who was a hunk because he dates local Singaporean Chinese. South Pacific attitudes alive and well among many white American women, especially from the US South!
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 1:41:16 PM
George you sound like a self-hater.And you are creating stereotypes of Asians with every sentence you type.Just because one or two Asian person you know are going through that doesn't make it all Asians.Perhaps the parents are okay with the Asian girl because she is not ghetto and has a college education.Or are you gonna make up some lie and say the Asian girl is ghetto and black girl isn't?Anyways my sister only dates black guys(sigh) and her boyfriend has been to jail for attempted rape of other females and spousal abuse and he has yet to hold a job.Btw, my parents don't have a problem with her dating black guys because they know she's hooked on black dick.My sister herself is a degenerate not because of who she dates but her actions towards my family.Anyways, you sound like a black or white person, always blaming your problems on others.DON'T BLAME ASIANS OR ASIAN FEMALES IF THE WHITE PARENTS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BLACKY BUT NOT ASIAN HATE ON THE WHITE PARENTS OKAY?There's usually more to it than that.Such as the black person is a loser.Oh white parents would rather their kid be with black than white anyways.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 1:54:58 PM
I myself would not date a guy of any color if he's been with a black female simply for the fact that it means he's tainted, dirty, wannabe, ignorant, disgusting, would fuck anything leg etc esp. if it's a dirty ghetto black girl.I know your brains have been washed into liberal propaganda because they show black ppl positively on t.v. but look at reality, how many raicst ignorant blacks have you come across?Whites too?That's not my type, I like intelligence, hardworking, polite.Really if he dates anyone that is ghetto or dirty I wouldn't date him.And I am sick of Asian guys dissing an Asian woman for dating a white guy, you are just jealous and hating.I've known many Asian guys that are sellouts who are dating white girls.If most Asian woman could get a white girl which to me white girls are easy anyone can get them, they would be selling out so fast.I can't stand a lot of Asian guys, you have no personality, rude.white guys too, selfish, crazy, psycho, rude, ignorant,assholes, but I hate white ppl very very very bad, some ignorant ignorant motherfuckers.Yes I am ranting in all kinds of different subjects and most of you will not read this but whatever.Going against my own rule, never post a novel.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 1:56:39 PM
George you should ask the white whores if their men would take them back if their pussies got tainted with black dick.Also skin color has nothing to do with it.If it did ppl wouldn't tan.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 1:59:54 PM
Italians in Italy don't even know or think of themselves as Italians, they think of themselves as Sicilians etc.there are many separate ethnic groups same everywhere else, it's not just Asia.We all distinguish ourselves according to culture whether it's the European white or Asian etc.Because all Asians are lumped sum in the western world, that's why we think of ourselves as asians.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 2:01:46 PM
That steven guy is creepy, you could tell he's a 40 year old something fat ugly white guy with no life, who continually post poems much less the same one over and over, fucking creepy and cheesy.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 2:03:14 PM
Fuck one last thing, George you are a victim.A victim of propaganda your brain has been bred by whites to hate on Asians and Asian females.You put whites on a different standard higher than yourself but diss your own ppl.Shame on you.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 2:08:45 PM
George I talked to one black guy who will only date white girls because he thinks they are the best looking and he thinks Asian girls are ugly.He says Asian girls are inferior to whites and "Latinos" and he wouldn't date a black girl because he wants a light colored baby.IN fact many black men I talk to will claim they whites but will date only white girls to "move up in society", that's what I call self hate.Anyways the black guy I mentioned earlier hates Asian women and doesn't want them to date white guys and creates all kinds of bigotry towards Asian women because he is a self hating delusional punk.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 2:08:45 PM
George I talked to one black guy who will only date white girls because he thinks they are the best looking and he thinks Asian girls are ugly.He says Asian girls are inferior to whites and "Latinos" and he wouldn't date a black girl because he wants a light colored baby.IN fact many black men I talk to will claim they whites but will date only white girls to "move up in society", that's what I call self hate.Anyways the black guy I mentioned earlier hates Asian women and doesn't want them to date white guys and creates all kinds of bigotry towards Asian women because he is a self hating delusional punk.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 2:12:26 PM
many black men claim they hate whites, that's what I meant to say.
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George
September 29th, 2009 - 2:35:27 PM
Many black men I know claim to hate white women in particular. No. I dont put whites on a different pedestal. Read my earlier post. White women will complain about white men not dating white women who dated not just blacks but Asians and other non-whites. But, the white women would behave the same way. May be this is a characterstic of many whites..not just a stereotype. As far as Steve is concerned, dont know what he is, and dont care. By the way, I am 100% Asian.
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steve
September 29th, 2009 - 3:47:04 PM
That steven guy is creepy, you could tell he’s a 40 year old something fat ugly white guy with no life, who continually post poems much less the same one over and over, fucking creepy and cheesy WOW First of all its not poetry its lyrics from music that may be over your head.Im tall and fit and thats why my asian girlfriend like me.Im a musician so I always look at the world in the big picture view.I think its kind of funny that the name calling here is a symptom of what the problem is in the world .If we were all in the same room would we be acting like this?
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min
September 29th, 2009 - 3:50:41 PM
"Korean Americans consider Asians a race. Koreans back in Korea consider Korean a race. Am I right?" Again, while it may seem like I am nitpicking at a minor choice in words, Its important to me when people make generalizations. I know Korean Americans that consider Korean a race, Most of my younger relatives growing up in Korea do not. Thats my experience. Even if it were taught that way in school, I still wouldnt make that generalization. Without going into it, I would say for example, we teach evolution in school in america, doesnt mean all americans believe in it. (haha, please only an example, lets not get into religion) :) Aside from that I think we can agree that race often does play a role in relationships, but imho that role is not decided by race, but more so by individual beliefs. "And I am sick of Asian guys dissing an Asian woman for dating a white guy, you are just jealous and hating.I’ve known many Asian guys that are sellouts who are dating white girls." Ok wow, please explain this one to me. I agree Asian guys dissing an Asian woman for simply dating a white guy is probably just jealous and hating. So how is it that in the next sentance you accuse Asian men of dating white girls to be sell outs? "May be this is a characterstic of many whites..not just a stereotype" Well if it is a characteristic of many whites, then yes, thats prolly where a stereotype might arise from. But it would still just be a stereotype.
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steve
September 29th, 2009 - 3:52:19 PM
I thought we were her to discuss the real cause of Annie Le death.I dont know about you guys but being from a scientific back round I want to know why she was attacked and dont tell me who ever did it was just crazy,Thats not a good enough reason for me everything has cause and effect
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min
September 29th, 2009 - 4:17:35 PM
"I think its kind of funny that the name calling here is a symptom of what the problem is in the world" Yes, some people need to work on their ability to hold a civil conversation without it turning into the meaningless abusive attacks. But I have to say, Ive been trying to be civil myself, but you make comments ( inadvertently I think) that shows a lack of sensitivity that I would expect an 'artist' to appreciate. I say this cause of your quote below "Im tall and fit and thats why my asian girlfriend like me" So thats why she likes you? After all, no such thing as a tall fit Asian guy right? Not cause your a good person and treat her well or anything else? Im sorry to say, and I wont accuse you of it, but when you make a statement like that you make me think you are one of those 'yellow fever' white guys. Maybe she has told you that directly, even so hearing you repeat it well....... I hope I am wrong.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 5:20:33 PM
Steve, just because you don't like other ppl's theory about Annie Le's death doesn't mean yours is valid.From my experience dealing with racism from white ppl esp. white men in particular who seem to think Asians are inferior I think it's because Clark had a superiority complex and was jealous of Annie and felt he could tell her what to do because she was Asian and needed to be humble and he wouldn't have done that to another white or even a black person.I'm sure Annie Le wasn't the only one that left dirty cages or was the worse, I think Clark was an asshole that hate on Asians.Now what I say may be waaaay over your head because you only know what exist in your white world but that's how I see it.And white ppl seem to have a thing for quoting music, that's very fucking annoying, music lyric is poetry btw.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 5:23:40 PM
No I don't think Clark wanted her nor do I think Annie wanted him.It doesn't have to be sexual.When me and a friend were in the car and we are talking amongst ourselves laughing and making jokes, this white cracker across the street at the stop sign thought we were making fun of him, he pointed his finger at us and tried to follow us home, he had a gun too, we had to call the cops, white ppl are fucking crazy psycho.If we were in the same room would I act like this, probably so, but I would stay far away from whites, they are crazy, will shoot you because they aren't happy with life.But why come on her and type some fucking lyric twice that is just creepy.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 6:17:48 PM
Min, maybe that's what intially attracted his "girlfriend" to him.Hopefully he treats "her" well.Most ppl are attracted physically to one another, after that it's about personality.
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wow
September 29th, 2009 - 6:18:53 PM
and no I don't believe he is how he describes himself.something just tells me from the vibe I get...........
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Thuyen
September 29th, 2009 - 8:03:19 PM
"So you are saying that you have a problem with this as well? if you are religious, I would think that your religion would preach tolerance." Most conservative Christian denominations do not believe in marriage between Christians and non-Christians. Mine, which is conservative on most issues, happen to not disagree with marrying non-Christians, but do hold to that it does present problems for raising kids, clashes of values, etc., etc.
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Thuyen
September 29th, 2009 - 8:12:24 PM
steve, I know rat cage sound hard to believe as motive. But I have seen one manager I worked for flip out over a game of hangman I used as teaching tool for a new employee. He accused me and the employee of hanging him (because neither of us or anyone who worked for him liked him because he is such a complete a-hole), then when I try to grab the papers back from him, since he said he is keeping them as his so he can accuse us, he claimed I try to assault him. There are wackjobs out there in the world, be it as employees or managers or whatever. It does not have to be a love triangle issue. By the way, that manager is Vietnamese. Not that it matters, since wackjob managers come in all forms, Asian, white, black, etc.
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Thuyen
September 29th, 2009 - 8:15:01 PM
"Ok wow, please explain this one to me. I agree Asian guys dissing an Asian woman for simply dating a white guy is probably just jealous and hating. So how is it that in the next sentance you accuse Asian men of dating white girls to be sell outs?" No one of the right mind ever said hating people for color of their skins or for the colors of the skin of those they choose to love (be it white, black, etc.) is a rational thing.
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Thuyen
September 29th, 2009 - 8:19:10 PM
Workplaces need to enforce the no-a-hole rule, as this book shows: http://positivesharing.com/2007/02/book-review-the-no-asshole-rule/
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Wow
September 29th, 2009 - 10:43:09 PM
OK, I'll admit it - I'm a racist, ignorant asshole who doesn't like it when whites date Asians. I also don't like the fact that so many Asian girls really like White guys. There, I said it - I hope you are all happy now...
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 6:05:10 AM
the asshole that just commented above me is obviously not me, steve or Thuyen, I know it was one of you.Thuyen please go away you freakin coward loser nerd.
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Geroge
September 30th, 2009 - 6:22:53 AM
"Most conservative Christian denominations do not believe in marriage between Christians and non-Christians. Mine, which is conservative on most issues, happen to not disagree with marrying non-Christians, but do hold to that it does present problems for raising kids, clashes of values, etc., etc." Many white "Conservative Christian" denominations do not believe in interracial marriages, period whether to a Christian or otherwise. Thus many will not approve of marriage between a white evangelical and an Asian evangelical. There are pastors who wont perform such marriages. We have a big concentration of these white skin worshippping pagans masquerading as Christians in places such as South Carolina and other parts of the deep south. The only reason Governor Mark Sanford was forgiven by the white citizenry of South Carolina was because he fornicated with a white looking woman although she would be classified as Hispanic in the US. Mormons are equally bad. Everytime I am approached by a mornom, I sing a new version of a modern hymn.."Let our talents and tongues employ.." Jesus Lives Again Earth shall breath again The economy turns around Stocks Rebound!! I sing it out loud and they run away, particularly the white female Mormon missionaries.
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Thuyen
September 30th, 2009 - 8:12:53 AM
"Many white “Conservative Christian” denominations do not believe in interracial marriages, period whether to a Christian or otherwise. Thus many will not approve of marriage between a white evangelical and an Asian evangelical." You are completely and dead wrong there. It may be true of many white conservative Christian denoms in the 1960s and before, but not true now. In fact, rejecting someone on basis of race for marriage is considered sin against God and fellow man in Christian conservative churches.
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Thuyen
September 30th, 2009 - 8:14:12 AM
"the asshole that just commented above me is obviously not me, steve or Thuyen, I know it was one of you.Thuyen please go away you freakin coward loser nerd." You obviously acknowledge it was not me who pretend to be you, so why are you saying go away to me and calling me names?
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Thuyen
September 30th, 2009 - 8:23:52 AM
And that's not cool to bait people and make fun of their religions.
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steve
September 30th, 2009 - 10:09:49 AM
Its sad that we are losing focus of the purpose of this .We should concentrate on what was the cause of the attack on annie le not attack each other.I still dont think raymond did it,I think he is the fall guy because yale and the the police wanted a quick arrest of someone,They would not want the public to think a professor the boyfriend or someone off the street ot into the building with the so called great security.I have worked in so called secure buildings and you can et in or out without being detected,alot of time people who smoke will prop open a door ,I would like to hear some debate about this and please no more attacking each other
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 12:24:15 PM
Thuygen I told you to go away but you are still here pretending to be me. George, "Hispanic" or "Latino" is not a race, they can be of any "race" whether it's white or Asian or mestizo which mixed of any race, mainly native(fundamental Asian) and white.Europeans have gone into the western world including what is known today as "South America" and interbred with natives. Steve, we have all acknowledged Annie Le's tragic death.No one cares what you believe, dna, scars, Clark the last person to enter the room Le last entered, after her death he entered about 10 more times,evidence is all there.First you say it was a crime of "passion" now you don't think he did it, you are obviously in denial.This is obviously a hate crime.Everyone stay away from whites, they are crazy.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 12:33:11 PM
I don't appreciate Christians knocking on my door trying to shove their religion down my throat then precede to ask me what religion I am.I just want to slam the door in their faces sometimes and tell them it's none of their business.Luckily I'm not rude like white ppl.I can see the look on their faces and read their minds "you are going to go to hell because you don't believe in Christianity" like every Christian I know tells me.I don't see any other people of other religions doing that to me.It's only Christians.They are the biggest hypocrites.If I went to a white person's house and told them to believe in Buddhism I'd get shot.Guess who came up with "Christianity" and guess where whitey based that religion on, Mesopatamia writings(modern day Iran).
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George
September 30th, 2009 - 1:15:13 PM
Everytime I tell a white person I am Christian, they get surprised. When did your family convert? they ask. I tell them while your ancestors were still living in the caves of Europe and running around naked. For Christianity first came to India in 50 AD...soemthing the white person does not know or care to know.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 1:23:41 PM
haha George, when did your parents leave India?No just kidding, I know you're not from India.Must be th same white ppl that ask me where I'm from and when I tell them a city in the U.S. they say but NOOO where am I REALLY from.So I preceded to tell them well tell me where you are from in Europe.Then they ask me if I plan on going back even though I've never been there.
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George
September 30th, 2009 - 2:08:35 PM
Where are you from? Republic of Singapore. Where are you really really from as you dont look Singaporean? My parents are from India. From the state of Kerala..a little town called Perumbavoor.
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Thuyen
September 30th, 2009 - 2:19:21 PM
"Thuygen I told you to go away but you are still here pretending to be me." That's a lie. I never claimed to be you. Wow, get over yourself. "Luckily I’m not rude like white ppl." "Everytime I tell a white person I am Christian, they get surprised. When did your family convert? they ask. I tell them while your ancestors were still living in the caves of Europe and running around naked. For Christianity first came to India in 50 AD…soemthing the white person does not know or care to know." Don't assume being white automatically means being Christian. By the way, just as any other race, the average white Christian is not going to know alot of church history. For that matter, the average Asian Christian, black Christian, etc. Ironic you state that given the nature of your posts. Christians who live their faith are not surprised you would be Christian. Why? We believe God's love embrace folks from all nations, cultures, nationalities, colors, sexes, ages, etc.
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Thuyen
September 30th, 2009 - 2:21:19 PM
"I can see the look on their faces and read their minds “you are going to go to hell because you don’t believe in Christianity” like every Christian I know tells me.I don’t see any other people of other religions doing that to me.It’s only Christians.They are the biggest hypocrites" And on what basis do you claim Christians are the biggest hypocrites?
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 3:02:46 PM
thuyen,you posted a comment under my name.either you or the weirdo steve.I feel this tread has a bunch of losers on here.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 3:05:01 PM
I'm in school right now, does anyone know a great way to build credit from scratch, ppl tell me to get a loan in a small amount from the bank, what about applying for a credit card, I can't get on at all, not even with the freakin bank I'm with that's why I'm dropping their ass.I heard a gas card was easier to get.Anyone has any recommendations this is serious.
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Ken
September 30th, 2009 - 3:11:40 PM
Easiest way to establish credit requires a little bit of money up front. Since you are a student, you might be able to join a credit union designed for teachers and students. They exist in and around most large cities and universities. Anyhow, join a credit union by opening up a free checking account. (usually about 25.00) Then get what is called a share secured loan. This is a loan where in you provide a cash collateral. I'd suggest somewhere around 200.00 dollars. They will give you the loan, basically, because they have payment for it up front. They exist because often times people will leverage savings accounts in this way, to purchase things like cars, tvs, etc. at rates that are much lower than the finance rate usually found on such transactions. If you don't have the cash up front for a share secured loan, I'd recommend applying for a very low limit credit card, with a credit union. We're talking again, like 200.00 max. If that is still not an option, there exist companies that will sell you something, like a cheap laptop, electronics, etc. provided that you have a steady pay check. I would consider these a last resort for establishing credit. Once you have your account, keep in mind, what establishes credit is a good payment history, not just borrowing the funds. I established credit when I was 17 using the share secured method. Cheers.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 3:55:28 PM
I wish I would have done that at 17, I was a freshmen in college I would probably have a great credit score now, DAMMIT.What about a cd do you know anything about that, I did some research online, yes I don't like the high interest rates credit cards have to offer, the company I work for actually has a credit union and I was going to join to get a loan but I'm exploring different options.My bank doesn't offer a secured credit card.You know anything about a cd?Copy and pasted in my email.Thanks for the advice!
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ken
September 30th, 2009 - 4:03:32 PM
In my experience CD's don't do much to impact your credit score. They do build up assets on hand, but even then not much since, generally speaking, they aren't available assets. I assume you're talking about certificates of deposit, wherein a bank or other financial institution pays you a higher interest rate in exchange for your agreement to have your money deposited for a specific amount of time. From what you're describing, I would recommend joining the credit union you referenced and seeing if they'll do a share secured credit card. Another possible option is signing up for a checking account with a debit card that can function as a credit card. Also, if this C.U. is tied to your company, schedule an appointment with a C.U. loan officer and explain what your goals are. Often times they can point out which products and instruments they deal in will serve your needs the best. Also, a caveat. Despite starting when I was 17, my credit score did not rise above 700 until after I was married and carried a mortgage for a year. I was stuck at 680 forever. Ken
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 4:32:58 PM
you know I have a debit card and occasionally I'll use it as a credit, I always wondered if it would do anything for me in terms of building credit when I use it as a credit card, apparently it doesn't.I have Chase bank................
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Ken
September 30th, 2009 - 5:23:05 PM
It all depends on how the institutions report your activities. Chase isn't bad, for a bank. I have my mortgage and checking with them these days. But I got started using a credit union. Banks don't do alot for you unless you have some high dollar products with them. In our case, its the mortgage. And that gets us free checking and a whole range of other perks.
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Thuyen
September 30th, 2009 - 6:04:00 PM
"thuyen,you posted a comment under my name.either you or the weirdo steve.I feel this tread has a bunch of losers on here." As much as I don't like your views anymore than I like anti-Asian racism, I did not post under your name. I see that tactic as childish as well. "I’m in school right now, does anyone know a great way to build credit from scratch, ppl tell me to get a loan in a small amount from the bank, what about applying for a credit card, I can’t get on at all, not even with the freakin bank I’m with that’s why I’m dropping their ass.I heard a gas card was easier to get.Anyone has any recommendations this is serious." Actually, consider it a blessing in disguise that you don't have a credit card. You are right- the interest rates are high. Let me also the temptation to use credit cards carelessly also get very high, too, once you have it. Without credit cards, you are actually kept honest so you won't spend above your means. Not saying you should never get credit cards, since there will be emergency cases, but build your credit up to that, practice the art of saving money for your debit or checking account, and at least reserve part of your paycheck for that as well as paying your bills. Keep the max amount you plan on to spend every two weeks til you get your paycheck, and try to stick to the plan (unless there are emergencies like you need to replace your tires). Take my advice. You will save alot of stress of paying back bills by the thousands for years to come. Good luck, and I hope it goes well with you there. PS: I think with CDs, you have a plan of either 6 or 12 months where you keep your money there, and cannot get any out withdrawn without penalty, and at the end of the term, there is an interest rate that gets added to the amount you keep in there. Have to double check though.
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Thuyen
September 30th, 2009 - 6:06:26 PM
As for loans, see what you can get out of the federal government. I would think if you need money and don't have means to pay, you can get certain loans from it. It has been a while since I have been in college. Just be sure you provide yourself with means to pay it off afterwards, and have a job line up that fits with your major and interests that will enable you to do that.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 6:20:02 PM
Ken,yes Chase Bank is not that bad, I just have to do a little more research and talk to more ppl about, I've asked so many ppl, friends, coworkers, trying to get the best advice, I just regret not doing that at a younger age, but oh well.The best thing to do is get into it so I can understand what options are best for me. Thuyen, I actually thought that if I did get a credit card I would just make one or two purchases that was necessary, pay it off quickly so it would help with my credit, but I think the credit union is the best way to go.Or I talked to a loan officer from my bank, he says they can make a loan for me, I was thinking taking a loan in a small amount, like 200 dollars or 500 dollars, just frustrated trying to get started.And I apologize for my ignorant thoughtless tirades against you or anyone that I may have offended.I am not ignorant like I come off.I do have compassion.And I am very intelligent even though sometimes I don't come off that way.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 6:36:33 PM
and I'm not saying that just because you gave me credit advice either. I meant to apologize a comment or two ago. :0)
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Ken
September 30th, 2009 - 7:09:44 PM
Some other bits of advice: if you do get a credit card, a: absolutely keep it at 0 balance, that is pay off everything. That's why I was suggesting starting with a small credit line. b: keep it open! they actually penalize your scores if you cancel credit cards. Its messed up. As for loans, make sure, even if you get a small loan, you pay it off over a long enough period of time to establish a payment history. Minimum of six months. @Thuyen: You're right about CD's. They range anywhere from six months to 10 years. You get a higher rate of return than a normal savings account for making that pledge to keep your money with the bank for a predictable time period. There are steep penalties for pulling your cash out early. Student loans are useful, but not for establishing credit while you're in school, since most people don't start paying them back until they graduate. I suppose some might. However, as of right now, all student loans come from private lenders, and are federally subsidized. This is good, because private lenders report to credit ratings people. Soon, it'll be the government that is doing the lending, along with private lenders. I have no idea how that will affect reporting on student loans.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 7:29:31 PM
Ken, is it best to pay off the credit card purchase right away?What is a good amount that you would borrow to build credit?Is 200 dollars good enough or should it be more?
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 7:39:51 PM
Also Chase told me to borrow money from them I needed to have at least 1000 dollars in a checkings account.Do you know anything about that since you have Chase?
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 7:41:12 PM
but I may have misunderstood him he may have said if I wanted to borrow 1000 I must have 1000.I'm not sure, but different offices in different locations shouldn't have different requirements, it's all Chase right and I'm sure there are loopholes and ways around it.
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Ken
September 30th, 2009 - 7:55:34 PM
Sounds like he's trying to set up a shared secured loan, which would make some sense if you don't have a credit history. I'm not sure what their small loan practices are. For anything not house sized, I use a credit union that I am a member of. Credit Unions are not for profit institutions, which dramatically changes how they do business. Smaller interest rates on loans, smaller late fees, much better customer service in my experience. Also, there are two Chases within the chase umbrella. Chase, and J.P. Morgan Chase bank. They both do business as Chase though. They do have slightly different policies I've heard. I'm with J.P. Morgan Chase Bank. As far as credit card purchases, try not to keep any balance month to month. That means that if the total on your statement is 69.85, pay 69.85. This takes discipline. Without trying to be too nosy, what can you afford per month for a loan payment?
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Ken
September 30th, 2009 - 8:13:31 PM
Woops. Lost track of time. I turn into a pumpkin at 11:15. Anyhow, all I was going to say is take what you know you can afford to pay for a monthly loan payment, and multiply that by 6 or 12, and then by .90, and then borrow that much. That should let rough estimate a loan payment + interest. Anyhow, I'll check in tomorrow morning. Have a good night everyone.
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wow
September 30th, 2009 - 8:56:16 PM
well that's kinda hard to say.My job has been giving alot of overtime and what I make varies.But I get what you are saying, obviously it'll probably be best to talk to a loan specialist and depending on the interest rate, calculate that into my figures.It really depends on the interest rate.I'll probably get with credit union.Thanks for the advice!!Very useful and helpful.
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wow
October 1st, 2009 - 12:01:57 PM
is there anything in particular I should watch out for when dealing with these banks and credit unions.would they try to be sneaky with me.
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Thuyen
October 1st, 2009 - 4:31:57 PM
Don't sign anything until you read what they have to offer in regards to terms and conditions. Go over those with your folks, relatives and friends if you have to, who you can depend on.
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Thuyen
October 1st, 2009 - 4:33:09 PM
"and I’m not saying that just because you gave me credit advice either. I meant to apologize a comment or two ago. :0)" Forgiven and forgotten.
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Steven B.
October 4th, 2009 - 9:25:32 PM
Its good to hear much input about the article. I have found this to be educational and helpful with my dealings with the everyday world. Also this for Ekka, Earthling, and Amazed its interesting after I stood up to your comments that you haven't said anything more in rebuttal. I suspect the three of you returned to your "land of Klan" to be with people you can be comfortable with. Steve
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Rich
October 24th, 2009 - 7:20:58 PM
I. Could someone please clarify why a man interested in Asian women should not seek out Asian men, so as to increase his chances to succeed with Asian women? Why must hetero men play ridiculous (word) games instead of being more candid about working for their needs and wants? II. Why does stereotyping and bashing men draw accolades? III. Is there anything above about how smug, elitist, or draconian rat-race deportment among some faculty and doctoral candidates in prestigious universities might provoke the poor guy who cleans up feces even when this later has a long fuse? IV. Why can we not be more open about how some women fantacise about being taken by macho men, and by Milquetoast men or even nice guys certainly not?
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Ahn
October 27th, 2009 - 12:04:27 PM
Asian women are partly to blame for the stereotype. Asian women have the power to accept the advances of men. Since so many Asian women choose to marry white men, it reinforced stereotypes for the Asian community - both Asian men and women suffered. Sadly, Asian men and Asian women don't see eye to eye on this issues, since Asian women are more accepted in Mainsteream white America so they would rather go with their stereotypes than help their community. There WILL never a Asian American community since All the "Asian" marry other "Asian" and all the so called "Asian-American" married whites. So that leaves the just the Asian community. So don't except whites to treat you any different when you don't even treat yourself with respect.
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wow
October 27th, 2009 - 2:44:59 PM
Ahn, are you an Asian male or female?Don't justify racism.Asian women suffer just as much prejudice if not more than Asian men.Your attitude seems to reflect a self hate.You allow white ppl to think for you.You should know white women do not get stereotyped, the fact that 1 out of 2 white females choose to be with a black guy despite many white males available for them should tell you something.A white woman can spread her legs like wildfire or be a prostitute and still be put on a pedestal.Asian women are very much hated we are damned and labeled no matter what we do.But anything a white girl does is okay.Where I live there is virtually no Asian male, I would like to date one, but it is very difficult and the ones they have don't know how to act or are ghetto and uneducated and if I "choose" to be with someone I like whatever race he is then so be it.I know many Asian males that are with white girls that teach their children to be white and deny their Asian heritage.Asian men are not innocent when it comes to this.Just accept the fact that Asian women have feelings too and if we are with someone it's because of attraction.
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George
October 27th, 2009 - 4:16:08 PM
"the fact that 1 out of 2 white females choose to be with a black guy.." Not a fact. More like 5%. Many white females down south will not even touch a non-white skin. "Sadly, Asian men and Asian women don’t see eye to eye on this issues, since Asian women are more accepted in Mainsteream white America so they would rather go with their stereotypes than help their community." Not many non-Filipino Asians want to marry Filipinas. For that matter not many Asians encourage inter-Asian mix. They would rather prefer to mix with whites. Asian parents will accept whites, but not other Asian ethnicities. So blaming the white man for picking up a Filipina is rather futile. Even in the open-minded Singapore this is the case among at least some Asian families.
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Steven
October 27th, 2009 - 11:22:52 PM
Interesting points in regards to the Asian woman/White male couple. One point I would like to make is when I hear a white woman or someone tells me about a white woman who says they are interested in dating an Asian male. This can be translated that the white woman has lowered her standards in men.
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wow
October 28th, 2009 - 10:03:16 AM
"Not a fact. More like 5%. Many white females down south will not even touch a non-white skin." George what cave have you been living in?I live in the south, blacks and whites have a harminous relationship here and white women interbreed a lot with black men.In fact white women spread their legs to anything they also mix alot with the blacks in Great Britain and around the world.Stop being in denial.White women are filthy whores and trash.In fact 70% of black men are with a non black partner.Now since media is controlled by white Jewish men they will mostly portray black women and white men on screen, but that's also becoming a fast reality. Anyways Asian women are easy targets and easy to falsely label. I don't know what race you are but you are on the outside looking in and letting your prejudice cloud your judgment.If you are Asian what about white men?You say nothing about white men dating outside their race as if to put them on a pedestal. And no most Asian parents, including my own do no want their children marrying off to whites.Filipinos are a bit different, they were colonized by Americans and Spanish so most may not mind. Now in Latin America Latino parents more than encourage their kids to marry to white ppl so their kids can claim white status and also whites are perceived to have more money. I know a Mexican girl who is dating an Asian, her mother hates that, she wants her daughter to be with a white man because she is with one and she thinks they have more money, she doesn't even want her daughter to be with a mestizo brown Mexican. Anyways I don't have much more to say.But fuck all you haters.
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wow
October 28th, 2009 - 10:14:26 AM
btw, there are plenty of blacks for each other in the U.S. same goes for whites, but they love to interbreed.Now with Asians it's hard to date because sometimes the Asian population is scattered, which may explain why we date outside our race. I'm tired of Asian women being made scapegoats of society because of how we look. None of you can deny that when you go to the store or go to public places you always see a white female (usually trash) with black guy.I see it all the time and it's not just because I live in the south either.
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Punisher
October 28th, 2009 - 10:27:15 PM
"None of you can deny that when you go to the store or go to public places you always see a white female (usually trash) with black guy.I see it all the time and it’s not just because I live in the south either." I don't always see in public places white females with black guys. Yes, they do exist, and I have seen them come in as couples where I work. None of them are trash by the way but well to do types (at least from what I can see, with at least one couple being friends of mine from my college days, which is like 15 years ago). Statistically last I check there is still disparity by far in how often white women marry non-whites as opposing to marrying whites (though interracial marriages as society progressed will continue to increase decade by decade). I don't think it is right, by the way, in order to defend our own, by stereotyping and trashing others (such as saying white women are often trash who date black men). We can do better than that. Yes, I agree with you, Asian women do NOT deserve to be trashed if they choose to go with a white, a black, or whoeverm in their relationships (and I find it appalling they are trashed and stereotyped over that myself). But then again, I hold to there is only one race- the whole human race. The distinction in colors are just that- color of the skin. But from the same humanity as each other, with colors of skins effected by geography, etc., etc. What is it to us that an Asian lady chooses to marry a black man, or a white woman chooses to marry an Asian man, or an Asian man chooses to marry a Hispanic woman? (Not asking you personally, but a rhetoric question to folks in general who make it such an issue, which if we get past our biases, is really much ado about nothing.) If they truly love each other, cultural differences and colors of skins that guide the biases of some members of their families and friends will not stand in their way. Just speed bumps. I have experienced racism by myself growing up from blacks, whites, Hispanics, etc. But on the other hand, since I don't live around many Asians, many of my good friends are from those groups as well, and the ones who have been there for me when I was down on my luck in life in the past were those folks. By the way, hope things are well with you on your fiancial aid and all. How is that going?
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Punisher
October 28th, 2009 - 10:31:03 PM
"Now with Asians it’s hard to date because sometimes the Asian population is scattered, which may explain why we date outside our race." I agree that is the case in many of the cases, though it comes down to each individuals having different motives, needs, desires, etc., on why they choose what they choose. Each individual is unique, even if under a certain culture or set of values they grew up with or later developed in life. "I’m tired of Asian women being made scapegoats of society because of how we look." Me, too. I am tired of anyone being made scapegoats of society because of how they look, regardless of whether they are male, female, black, Asian, white, Hispanic, Jew, fat, skinny, small, tall, etc., etc.
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Thuyen
October 29th, 2009 - 5:38:26 AM
By the way, Punisher is me.
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Jesse
October 29th, 2009 - 5:25:54 PM
Okay I left a comment last month questioning the relevance of including the line that reads: “and now she’s gonna pick some other White guy.” Forgive me for my lack of understanding of the social dynamics of America. After reading some of the other posts I am starting to get a better picture of the dating preference of Asian women in America. There appears to be a some social anomaly, for lack of a better term, for Asian women preferring white men over Asian men. Yes I said it: Asian women prefer white men OVER Asian men and many of these links and posts above are ample proof that this is what is going on. My suggestion to Asian guys is for you all to man-up Don't be so passive and shy about this. Don't take this laying down. The worst thing you all can do is to conform to these stereotypes of Asian men being weak, passive, and feminine that the white American media has shamefully(shamelessly for them) plastered on you. Express and assert your distaste for this type of behavior; even if it risks sounding like an insecure racists (for some reason people in America love throwing that "R" word around). Sometimes social agression and persistence has its place and benfits. Letting what bothers you bottle up is a recipe for disaster. I have black and Latino friends who detest women (and men) who sell out and denigrate their own culture and heritage. In Spanish we refer to these types as "malinchista" after the mistress of Hernan Cortes who sold out the indigenous peoples of the Americas to the Spainairds. My friends are very liberal about letting these "malinchistas" know that they are dispised and that their behavior is a shame. Asian men need to man-up and do the same. I am an advocate of progression and moving race relations forward, but not at the expense of "my people". Where I am from, hating your own Raza is a no-no and so is forgetting where you came from. I know there are going to be some PC people out there with their politically correct panties in bunch about my comment. I'm sure most of the backlash will be from the Asian women malinchistas defending their malinchistic behavior or from the white men who is currently tasting the the flavor of the month. But if it walks like a duck...
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Cheryl
November 8th, 2009 - 1:38:15 PM
Ahn: You're right: Asian women (all women) have a choice as to who they date but should that choice be constrained by what they think other Asian people *expect* of them? We don't choose who we fall in love with. We need to stop applying stereotypes to someone else's relationship based *only* on knowing one person is white and one is Asian. Jesse: It is not hating one's own race to love someone of another race. Like I said to Ahn, should someone's dating choices be constrained by everyone else's expectations? Or should we be free to love who we choose?
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Eric
November 11th, 2009 - 4:29:58 AM
Talk about self-centered. A young lady got killed, but all the Asian population can think about is me me me. And you wonder why we call you "asian" instead of "asian American". Good god.
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George
November 11th, 2009 - 7:13:24 AM
Seems like Wow has completely disappeared after confronted with evidence against his "phony" facts...white women in the south go with black men..dont make me laugh! Eric, The Asian population is no different from the whites. Read the vitriol after a black man killed his white girlfriend two years ago in Ohio...whites behave the same way and that is why Asians call you whites, Amg Moh, Haole, Gringo(a) depending on the region of the world instead of just plain American!
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George
November 11th, 2009 - 7:15:55 AM
"Like I said to Ahn, should someone’s dating choices be constrained by everyone else’s expectations?" American white female choices are thus constrained! Either that, or they are just white skin worshipping!
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Eric
November 11th, 2009 - 7:53:39 AM
Dear George, Your comment again, seems to miss the fact that a poor lady's death is being uses to rant about semantics. Regarding your point, I am all too aware of many of the lovely racist terms Asian people have for whites and pretty much everyone else, having lived in different parts of Asia for a good spell of time. I won't sink to your level of listing them here, but i'd recommend, if you're so fond of such terms, move back to Asia.
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Eric
November 11th, 2009 - 7:55:00 AM
Dear George, Your comment again, seems to miss the fact that a poor lady's death is being used to rant about semantics. Regarding your point, I am all too aware of many of the lovely racist terms Asian people have for whites and pretty much everyone else, having lived in different parts of Asia for a good spell of time. I won't sink to your level of listing them here, but i'd recommend, if you're so fond of such terms: move back to Asia.
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wow
November 11th, 2009 - 5:45:35 PM
Eric, don't try to sugarcoat it, calling a white person a cracker is not as hurtful as Asians being called a racial slur.Whites consider themselves the "superior" race, your race has gone into Asia and stolen and murdered ppl for how they look or because they don't act and think like you.There is no such racist terms for whites in Asia and if they call you something you deem racist then it's because you were racist to them.You can't list them because there are no such terms but I can list you all the racist terms whites have made up towards Asians but I'm sure you already know them.Whites don't go through racism, you think Asians are inferior and from all the racial slurs I've gotten and Asians have gotten from you whites, you pretty much hate Asians.Annie Le died from a racist white guy who though she was inferior.And typical white to tell someone to go back to where they came from, maybe you should.Whites go into Asia expecting Asians to kiss their ass and be all humble and if we're not then you wanna say it's racist.Let us do that in a white country see if we don't get murdered.You whites are crazy you murder ppl because you aren't happy with life, just fucking kill yourself if that's the case, don't take it out on others.Rude, greedy,vial motherfuckers.
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wow
November 11th, 2009 - 5:54:42 PM
Jesse, I know many "Latino" women that want a white man for his money or black women want a white man for his money or to make light colored babies.You make up shit about Asian women because we are easy targets.What about the Asian women that don't date outside their race, doesn't that count for something?I know white and Latino and even black women don't get stereotyped or judge, esp. white women who can spread their legs only to black guys like kim Kardashian and not be tainted or have stds like Pamela Anderson and still be put on a pedestal.White women can be gold diggers like that chick Gretchen Rossi that white hooker from Desperate Housewives and still not be judge.But ppl make shit up about Asian women just to do it or because they don't think Asian women are as attractive as white women.
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wow
November 11th, 2009 - 5:57:17 PM
George it doesn't even have to be in the south, look around everywhere 1 out of 2 white women are with black men and most of them are self hating white trash.I see it all the time,everytime I go to the store.And Asians make up only 3% of the population in the U.S. so I doubt you've been around Asian ppl.
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wow
November 11th, 2009 - 6:02:57 PM
you haters on here are just insecure and jealous.99% of white motherfuckers I have to deal with try to assassinate my character all the time.White ppl are bigots, they will judge you and place false labels but come the fact that white ppl the majority are child molesters, rude, greedy etc. they never get stereotyped even when this behavior is common amongst white ppl.
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Eric
November 11th, 2009 - 6:04:53 PM
"Eric, don’t try to sugarcoat it, calling a white person a cracker is not as hurtful as Asians being called a racial slur.Whites consider themselves the “superior” race, your race has gone into Asia and stolen and murdered ppl for how they look or because they don’t act and think like you.There is no such racist terms for whites in Asia and if they call you something you deem racist then it’s because you were racist to them." Wow, wow. 1. It is you who are using the death of a poor lady to make some racial tirade. You don't care about her death, you obviously care more about making some sematic point about her "Asianness". You're a horrible person, and if there were a god, he would hate you. 2. How dare you say that racial slurs against whites don't exist in Asia. 3. How dare you say that they're not hurtful. I suppose it is YOU who must suppose whites ARE superior, because they are thus so impervious to racial slurs. And blah blah, it's all the white man's fault, because he is so superior by your judgment that, by the laws of causality (thank you white man aristotle), all can be blamed on him.
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A self-confessed white person
November 11th, 2009 - 6:36:40 PM
Na. It's perfectly clear that you're capable of assassinating your own character all by yourself. Just look at this: "you haters on here are just insecure and jealous.99% of white motherfuckers I have to deal with try to assassinate my character all the time.White ppl are bigots, they will judge you and place false labels but come the fact that white ppl the majority are child molesters, rude, greedy etc" *nods* No need to try to make white people look superior AGAIN by blaming them for what you've done to yourself. It does nothing to help your argument or your image. But by all means, if you choose to do so, please persist in your self-destruction and the logical destruction of your own ideas.
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wow
November 11th, 2009 - 7:39:26 PM
eric reality beats rhetoric.White ppl have special privileges even in Asia.I do not think whties are superior, I treat them like everyone else, but it is whites that act like Asians including myself should bow down to them which I don't and thus more racism.White ppl are often denial of the truth due to the fact that you think you are superior.99% of whites I encounter racially assassinate my character unprovoked.And it is whites that find external bullshit excuses for everything that goes wrong in their lives even when they have no real external excuse.You don't think so because you are part of the equation unlike us on the outside who see you for who you are.And if whites can't find any excuse they go around shooting ppl.Believe it.I'd rather a white person shoot themself, when I hear about a white person commiting suicide I find it a relief because white ppl tend to go on shooting spree.Yeah yeah theirs Seung Cho Hui, but I can name you thousands of whites that have commited crimes.And whatsa matter you can't post your commits under your "original" name.
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wow
November 11th, 2009 - 7:48:32 PM
I never really had to be exposed to white ppl's nature until after high school I had to get a job to support myself through college,when I got a job doing technical support for internet white ppl wouldn't pay their bills and want credit, they would call in so fucking rude and expect you to help them.And white ppl are such inbred hicks, they don't need or deserve a computer.Everyone that is nonwhite agrees with me including blacks.And when I was working at Home Depot whites would bring shit in from 10 years ago and expect a credit, cheap and greedy and guess what because they are white they got what they wanted.And white motherfuckers would come in and racially harass me.bitches.
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wow
November 11th, 2009 - 7:51:54 PM
@thuyen hi I am doing well working everday and dealing with bigotry from whites and blacks as usual.I haven't gone to the credit union yet, it's white run, not sure how they will treat me.But it's money so they'll probably be okay.Other than that just saving up money so I can travel overseas and see if there is a better place then the Obama states of America.
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George
November 11th, 2009 - 9:21:01 PM
Wow, I look around everywhere, here in Northern VA, Huntington Beach, CA, Colorado, PA, Indiana and Boston..in the past year..9 out of 10 white women are with white men and most of them would not touch a non-white skin. I see it all the time,everytime I go on the DC metro or Orange County Transit. And in CA, I see more Asian women (mostly the dark skinned ones) with black men than white women with non-white men. Here in VA, I have seen at least six Asian women with black men, and only two white women with black men.. and Asians make up only 3% of the population in the U.S., including myself. so go figure!
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George
November 12th, 2009 - 6:23:14 AM
Update from the above post..this morning all the white women I saw here in the DC area were with white men..and this is considered a liberal part of the country. The only interracial couple was an Asian woman with a white man!
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Thuyen
November 12th, 2009 - 8:31:00 PM
Wow, May I suggest to you that human nature does not change from color to color? The reason why the majority of crimes in the US that are brutal are done by whites is because whites make up the majority of this nation. Go to any Asian nation, and can you tell me if there are brutal crimes? Yakuza exists and is tolerated in Japan, and it is notorious for its sex slavery rings, and that's on top of Japan's atrocities against different ethnic groups in WW2. China killed not so long 20-30 millions peoples of its own population. Cambodia, a much smaller country, took one year to kill one million of its own people. Yes, racism from whites do exist against Asians. I felt it earlier in life. But the worst thing you can do is become racist yourself and throw slurs around. Because you know why? You are doing the same thing you complain about what certain whites do to you: stereotyping on basis of color. And it would help to get your facts right, too, especially when you claim Cho was analyzed psychologically, but folks like Columbine killers were not. You are dead wrong there: particularly Harris is called by many psychological reports and sites as "the classic psychopath." Throw that attitude around and it won't be just the racist folks among whites (and others) who are turned off, but the ones who are not racists who could be your best friends (regardless of color) that will be turned off also. Think about it.
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Thuyen
November 12th, 2009 - 8:37:30 PM
"Eric, don’t try to sugarcoat it, calling a white person a cracker is not as hurtful as Asians being called a racial slur." It hurts the same for individuals who did not deserve that and try to do the right things to others. It is wrong, no matter who it is done to. "Whites consider themselves the “superior” race, your race has gone into Asia and stolen and murdered ppl for how they look or because they don’t act and think like you." Asians do it, too. Like I pointed out the behaviour of the Communist regimes in Asia towards those who do not act or think them or even if they don't look like them and what Japan did to countries like Korea, China, etc. And there was a time in history when it was the Asians (specifically the Mongols) that went into Europe pillaging, massacring, raping, etc, civilians, including in countries like Russia. All that took place before the Europeans ever even noticed Asian existed!!!!! No ethnic group in history has its hands clean.
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Thuyen
November 12th, 2009 - 8:40:42 PM
"Talk about self-centered. A young lady got killed, but all the Asian population can think about is me me me." I don't. IN fact, I think we all should let it play out. It might not be race, but sex. Or it could be neither. It could be just two workers that got into a hot headed argument that got out of control (and yes, some co-workers are that grating, though in this case, there is no way for us to know who was being what to at that very moment, no matter what we hear about the characters outside that incident).
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Thuyen
November 12th, 2009 - 8:49:38 PM
"Wow, I look around everywhere, here in Northern VA, Huntington Beach, CA, Colorado, PA, Indiana and Boston..in the past year..9 out of 10 white women are with white men and most of them would not touch a non-white skin. I see it all the time,everytime I go on the DC metro or Orange County Transit. And in CA, I see more Asian women (mostly the dark skinned ones) with black men than white women with non-white men. Here in VA, I have seen at least six Asian women with black men, and only two white women with black men.. and Asians make up only 3% of the population in the U.S., including myself. so go figure!" All of them it seems more like liberal blue states. Try the red state Florida. I have seen plenty of cases of white women mixing with non-white men. All of them good, caring folks that I know of. And before people make the wrong assumptions, I consider that a good thing. It goes to show the most conservative states are where the "progressive" mindset in this area is done in action rather than with all talk. Yes, it is still low compared to whites marrying whites, but if your statements are accurate, it beats those states by miles. It should not reflect poorly on folks for the choices of spouses just because the skin colors are different or the same. People are going to be attractive to whoever the member of the opposite sex is. It is natural. Why the need to bash them? Not asking you specifically, but just saying folks are up in arms here over this.
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wow
November 13th, 2009 - 6:55:43 AM
@Thuyen, I find it very annoying that you defend bigotry against Asians.Very Annoying. 2nd a the nature of a crime has nothing to do with it being a white country.White ppl commit the most sadistic crimes and although whites do make up a few more percentage of the population the U.S. is not a white country it is a multi racial country. 3rd yes the Mongols did invade Europe back in the 1100s but that doesn't change the fact that white ppl have stolen the most and have gone in and even during modern times like the 1900s.That goes for the British, French, Americans etc. 4th comparing what the Japanese did to the Chinese is not the same as what the whites did to the let's say Filipinos. 5th I have a feeling you aren't Asian but pretending to be.And Asian women are entitled to date whoever the please.I know white bitches don't get labeled because they are white.Just because you supposedly saw 6 Asian women with black men and what?I know you are lying.Everyone knows white women love spreading their legs to ghetto black guys.I have counted thousands of white chicks with black guys, so compared to your 6 what does that say. And last I'm certainly not about to sit back and let my ppl's character get assassinated.White ppl just don't get stereotyped, no matter what they do or if there is a common behavior amongst them.Let me give you an example, when I worked tech support, white ppl called in all the time being very rude and disrespectful, no one ever says shit, but you let an Asian person call and suddenly the blacks and whites start mocking them and making fun of them.Thuyen if you are Asian you are a waste of space, a coward and punk bitch.I am done with you.But I bet you are non Asian.Oh and NO ASIANS DON'T GO AROUND TO CALLING BLACKS OR WHITES SLURS ESP. IN AMERICA.LIKE WHITES AND BLACKS GO AROUND CALLING ASIANS SLURS.IF YOU ARE ASIAN HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN CALLED A SLUR, HOW MANY TIMES YOU THINK A WHITE OR BLACK PERSON HAS BEEN CALLED SLURS?IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING GETTING THROUGH TO YOU THICK HEADED DUMB ASIAN MOTHERFUCKERS THAT DON'T GET IT, WAKE THE FUCK UP BITCHES. @Eric typical response from a cracker."It's all about me me me" that's what you white bitches say to Asians that try to share their experience facing racism.And I also mentioned other Asians, not just me.TYPICAL RESPONSE FROM A DUMB IGNORANT REDNECK BITCH THAT DOESN'T KNOW.
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wow
November 13th, 2009 - 7:12:21 AM
@Eric I never said calling you an inbred cracker wasn't hurtful I just said it's not as hurtful as me being called a slur. @Thuyen, yeah bitch one last comment, your turn the cheek theory doesn't work, look at blacks, they are very violent and achieved intimidation of whites through violence.The reason why Asians get picked on so much is that they tend to allow it it happen, of course no one wants to lose their life esp. when it's not worth it, and I'm not saying we should be violent, but at least try to stand up for yourself and yes most of th time if you get in ta confrontation with whites they will try to kill you like what that monster Raymond Clark did to Annie Le.White men are truly barbarians.Fuck you Thuyen,I have so much hate for you motherfucker.Bitch.
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George
November 13th, 2009 - 8:32:18 AM
"Try the red state Florida. I have seen plenty of cases of white women mixing with non-white men. All of them good, caring folks that I know of." Not exactly a red state. Try Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, or even Southern Virginia.
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Thuyen
November 13th, 2009 - 4:06:40 PM
Wow: Thuyen, I find it very annoying that you defend bigotry against Asians.Very Annoying. Me: That's a lie. I didn't defend bigotry against Asians. I responded to bigotry against non-Asians. Wow: 2nd a the nature of a crime has nothing to do with it being a white country.White ppl commit the most sadistic crimes and although whites do make up a few more percentage of the population the U.S. is not a white country it is a multi racial country. Me: That does not change the fact that the majority of the population is whites, so naturally whites would more likely than not commit more crimes than others overall. That's not a fair way to judge. A better test would be to take a percentage of each group in those areas. "3rd yes the Mongols did invade Europe back in the 1100s but that doesn’t change the fact that white ppl have stolen the most and have gone in and even during modern times like the 1900s.That goes for the British, French, Americans etc." And Chinese, Japanese, etc., etc., never did those kinds of things to one another before the Europeans came? You are the one spouting out the nonsense people commit crimes and do bad things because of the color of their skins. "4th comparing what the Japanese did to the Chinese is not the same as what the whites did to the let’s say Filipinos." Yes, it is. Ever heard the term "rape of Naking." Comfort women during WW2 for Japanese soldiers from different Asian countries? What are you doing is maxing every perceived things you see non-Asians do wrong to justify your hatred of them, and minimize every thing that Asians have done wrong in history. We Asians do not need to resort to that.
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Thuyen
November 13th, 2009 - 4:12:39 PM
"Thuyen, yeah bitch one last comment, your turn the cheek theory doesn’t work" I didn't suggest you just take it when people treat you bad. Stand up for yourself alright. But you are not doing that. Going after innocent people, of other races, who did not do this to you, rather than the guilty folks that did it to you, as you are doing, is not standing up for yourself. But attacking folks in ways you accuse others of and asking them to turn the other cheek and ignore what you say. It is sooooooo unattractive mind to have. "look at blacks, they are very violent and achieved intimidation of whites through violence." And I also look at how they are the people that suffered much in history, as were the Jews. I also look at the fact that it was the blacks who practiced non-violence in the 1950s and 1960s to achieve racial equality in this country, and they took alot of beatings physically and death tolls, so the rest of us can enjoy our freedoms. "The reason why Asians get picked on so much is that they tend to allow it it happen, of course no one wants to lose their life esp. when it’s not worth it, and I’m not saying we should be violent, but at least try to stand up for yourself and yes most of th time if you get in ta confrontation with whites they will try to kill you like what that monster Raymond Clark did to Annie Le.White men are truly barbarians." Oh really? By your logic, I would be dead already, since I got into a few fist fights in my high school days with different folks, whites and non-whitres alike. "Fuck you Thuyen,I have so much hate for you motherfucker.Bitch." Hate is eating you alive and is not going to make you grow up. There are folks who genuinely concerned for you there.
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Thuyen
November 13th, 2009 - 4:25:05 PM
Wow: 5th I have a feeling you aren’t Asian but pretending to be. Me: Low blow. People can easily accuse you of not being Asian and posting the way you do to make Asians look racists and bad. I choose not to take that route, since I do believe you are Asian who has been hurt inside. I am your friend, not your enemy. I have been there. It is not healthy thing to live on hating others. If others hate you for your skin color, how does it make you better than those who hate you if you hate folks for their skin color even the ones who did nothing to you? "And Asian women are entitled to date whoever the please." And since when have I disagreed with that? "I know white bitches don’t get labeled because they are white." You need to get out more! lol Just because you supposedly saw 6 Asian women with black men and what?I know you are lying.Everyone knows white women love spreading their legs to ghetto black guys.I have counted thousands of white chicks with black guys, so compared to your 6 what does that say." Who the heck cares? Just as Asian women can date whoever they wished, so can white women. What is it to you who white women choose to date, fall in love with, and marry in regards to their men being of different skin color then they? "And last I’m certainly not about to sit back and let my ppl’s character get assassinated.White ppl just don’t get stereotyped, no matter what they do or if there is a common behavior amongst them." Oh really? Explain why terms like crackers and other terms exist? The fact your posts exist where you say whites are evil and all that disprove your own theory there. "Let me give you an example, when I worked tech support, white ppl called in all the time being very rude and disrespectful, no one ever says shit, but you let an Asian person call and suddenly the blacks and whites start mocking them and making fun of them." And because those folks act like that at that one workplace, all other whites and blacks act that way? It could be a workplace where being assholes are promoted to the nth degree, including acting like racists. By your own logic, folks can assume all Asians are like you based on your post. You are doing what you accused folks of doing- judging whole groups of people by the actions of the few you are around. "Thuyen if you are Asian you are a waste of space, a coward and punk bitch.I am done with you.But I bet you are non Asian.Oh and NO ASIANS DON’T GO AROUND TO CALLING BLACKS OR WHITES SLURS ESP. IN AMERICA." But you do, and tons of it, too. And yes, I have seen Asians say racist things about non-Asians, like blacks are into music and sports and are not smart, and like whites are lazy and spoiled. Yes, there are Asians who behave bad in this area. "LIKE WHITES AND BLACKS GO AROUND CALLING ASIANS SLURS.IF YOU ARE ASIAN HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN CALLED A SLUR" More than enough. "HOW MANY TIMES YOU THINK A WHITE OR BLACK PERSON HAS BEEN CALLED SLURS?" Not think but know. I have seen and heard plenty of slurs of people. "IT’S VERY FRUSTRATING GETTING THROUGH TO YOU THICK HEADED DUMB ASIAN MOTHERFUCKERS THAT DON’T GET IT, WAKE THE FUCK UP BITCHES." Hard to do when you become the very things you hate in others.
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Jesse
November 14th, 2009 - 11:46:54 AM
Ok this verbal pissing contest you all got going on is rather amusing and informative. Asian Americans seem to be the most self loathing group of people I read about in recent times. I find it rather pathetic the there is a serious lack of Asian women disputing the notion that they prefer white men over Asian men. Asian women seem so eager to conform to the western ideals about what role they shuold play in western society. That role seems to be the docile and submissive white skin worshipping sex object and they seem to fill that role little resistence. Asian women dont seem interested in Asian men when there is the option to "go white". Asian men don't seem to be stepping up their game to curtail this mass exodus of Asian women into the welcoming arms of asiaphiliac white men. Now there seems to to be a bitter indifference amongst Asian men towards Asian women. And thats not helping. All of this seems to benifit the avergae white guy that perhaps may not be able to score the trophy white girl but can definitely score a above average Asian gal with little resistance. Fits like a glove. Sucks to be an Asian guy in America.
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Thuyen
November 14th, 2009 - 5:13:54 PM
"Asian Americans seem to be the most self loathing group of people I read about in recent times." Most self-loathing because some of us don't conform to your idea of how we should act? Let's see here- that's rich coming from you, who go around calling women of your nationality or color sell-outs if they don't conform and marry among your types. Looks to me like you are hating on folks of your color, especially women, who don't think like you. When you have tear down folks to bring yourself up or your color up, it only makes you come off as not rreally having a good self-esteem or self-image in the first place. Confidence is no license to act like an idiot. You confuse confidence with unwarranted narcissism you are displaying for all to see. Shallow as one can get, which reveals lack of security in oneself, if you ask me, to act all narcisstic when one is really lacking inside. Asians, men or women, can be a confident bunch. It is not self-loathing to treat individuals like individuals or treat like people regardless of skin color or gender. "I find it rather pathetic the there is a serious lack of Asian women disputing the notion that they prefer white men over Asian men." Serious lack? Are you so quite presumptous to lump like that? Why should they justify themselves to you who they fall in love with you? You stated you are not Asian. There is a reason why they don't do what you demand of them: NOYB. I find it pathetic you trash women of my color just because some of them find men of other colors that attract them physically and emotionally. Looks like you trash others, be it of your color or outside your color, to bring yourself up. What a way to live. "Asian women seem so eager to conform to the western ideals about what role they shuold play in western society. That role seems to be the docile and submissive white skin worshipping sex object and they seem to fill that role little resistence." I don't know if your statement is more racist against Asian or against whites. Or if it is more racist or sexist. But stupid fits all of it. People are people. They have different reasons to do what they do. They don't owe you anything or any explanation why they love who they love. Get over yourself. "Asian women dont seem interested in Asian men when there is the option to “go white”. Asian men don’t seem to be stepping up their game to curtail this mass exodus of Asian women into the welcoming arms of asiaphiliac white men." And who are you to tell men or women how they should act and who they should love? Or to tell men of another color how to "force" women of their color not to go outside their color? You claim are you are being anti-PC. Actually, you fit with some of the worst kind of liberal extremists who think if one does not think like them, they are a sell-out to those of their color. It is actually very PC and very liberal. Don't kid yourself. "Now there seems to to be a bitter indifference amongst Asian men towards Asian women. And thats not helping. All of this seems to benifit the avergae white guy that perhaps may not be able to score the trophy white girl but can definitely score a above average Asian gal with little resistance. Fits like a glove." What fits like a glove is your obsessive desire to tell folks in your color and outside your color that they can love only those in their color, and if folks don''t act and think like you, they are self-loathing. Your words smack of racist nationalism mixed with sexism in how you make women as objects of men and as those who should submit to what men of their color tell them who to love. Fits like a glove actually. Most white men I know regardless of who they love don't look for women to be trophy wife, Asian or not. Most Asian women I know don't look to be anyone's trophy wife, be it of white men or not. Get over your obsessive desires to trash others to make yourself feel better. You say you are going against PC. No, you are not. You are just the far left type PC, who calls everyone and anyone who don't think within the group "sell-outs" and the like. "Sucks to be an Asian guy in America." Sucks to be you actually to make such uninformed rantings and make yourself a laughingstock for others.
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Village Milk
November 16th, 2009 - 1:20:50 AM
As an Asian guy, I actually comprehend the logic that Jesse is putting forth and I must agree; we Asians seem to be the most self loathing group of people I have read about in recent memory. You got Chinese hating the Japanese. Koreans thinking they better than everyone else. Cambodians who hate Vietnamese and Thai people. That shit is all over youtube. Then you got this this ignorant sounding WOW chick calling another Asian a "gook". Thanks for perpetuating the fucked up slur used by US servicemen to dehumanize Vietnamese people before killing them you stupid bitch. Not to mention this Thuyen character who need to learn how to take constructive criticism from someone who is telling it like it is. You need to smarten up and get rid of that politically correct bullshit you stressin. Quit acting like a little fag and man up like the dude said. All them gay ass responses you publishing aint helping you any. Also, learn how to be more articulate and creative with your written responses. All that "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" gay banter us making us Asian doods look bad. For reals. Man, y'all embarassing us... One last thing; if you have a problem with my use of the words bitch, fag, and gay but won't check and question the usage of the word "gook"; then you sir/mam are a bigot. Have a good life fuckers.
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Thuyen
November 16th, 2009 - 4:07:50 PM
And we got this character Village who throws insults hit and run. Nice way to be a piece of work. What PC am I stressing? PC stuff comes from diehard liberals, many of who call other their own kind sell-outs for not agreeing with group think (particularly ethnic group think), which mean you and Jesse fall more into that. I am traditional conservative as one can be.
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Thuyen
November 16th, 2009 - 4:11:53 PM
Don't folks just love racists exploiting the death of a beautiful young Vietnamese woman to take shots and slurs at other ethnic groups. Funny thing is that while some as Asians use her death to air their hatred of whites (and other ethnic groups), in doing so, they are disgracing her and her memory, given that she was in love and was about to marry a white man, who I am sure love her also. Sad sight to see folks act like that. I was not being PC as some idiots claim I am being. I am being biblically and morally correct on this.
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moomoogirl
November 16th, 2009 - 6:17:58 PM
"VillageMilk" every ethnic group within a "race" has issues and conflicts.How would you know Asians are the most self loathing or self loathing?Do you know how many black ppl have told me they are with whites to move up in society?Or to make light colored babies?Or make fun of African ppl?Do you know how many whites act like wiggers?We live in a white run soon to be black run society, white ppl make minorities like us feel bad about ourselves, all we see is white on t.v. every nonwhite race will lean towards European ways, like blacks wearing weave, str8ning their hair, getting a nose job like Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson to narrow their noses.It's not just Asians. Reading all the comments, I agree with you on one thing, that Thuyen is really an annoying idiot, but that's how most Asian guys are to me, cowards.He's a pussy, he's naive and he doesn't get it. Last Wow is an idiot using ethnic slur and being Asian.But I agree with her on alot of things, as an Asian esp. an Asian woman I get racially harassed as well.Sometimes I find I have to hold back because white ppl esp. the white men are crazy they'll try to kill you if you stand up to them, like Raymond Clark did to Annie Le.White ppl do not get stereotyped.No one ever says anything negative about white women, simply because they are white.Asian women are unfairly labeled because of how we look.
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moomoogirl
November 16th, 2009 - 6:25:52 PM
to Thuyen the term "cracker" came from white ppl themselves, referring to the "cracker" culture of immigrants from lower harshlands of Great Britain.White ppl after all created all the slurs.Perhaps it was started to be used in a racial way by blacks because they were tired of being called niggers. You come off as a white ass licker, I think you are a faggot.An Asian country like Singapore has virtually no crime, compared to so called "white" countries like Sweden or the U.S. so stop your bullshit and excuse about America having the highest crimes commited by whites because it is a white country.And really America isn't a white country but whites still commit the highest crimes.Guess what there are virtually no whites in Singapore!You really need to be shot you dumb fucktard.You are giving Asians a bad name, you seem to glide over every negative comment written about Asians, you think defending whites is gonna make you look good?Asians like you need to walk in front of a train and get run over, what a fucking fag you are, no one is reading the novels you are writing on this tread.Loser.
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moomoogirl
November 16th, 2009 - 6:31:55 PM
when the whites went in to "rescue" the Filipinos from the Japanese, your white friends also managed to do a genocide and mass murder of 600,000 plus Filipinos due to racism.Ironically I watched some bullshit on the white Jewish run History channel and they talked about American servicemen going to the Phillipines to rescue them from the Japanese, no where did they mention what those American motherfuckers did in the process, like murdering hundreds of thousands of Filipinos.Can we say bigotry?Goodness those crackers they really much good for those Filipinos didn't they?
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Thuyen
November 17th, 2009 - 9:52:53 AM
And I do wonder how Annie Le would feel knowing that her death is exploited by Asian racists to bash whites and other non-Asians, knowing full well she loved a white male, and they were about to get married before her untimely death prevented that.
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Jesse
November 17th, 2009 - 1:17:55 PM
That Thuyen guy is annoying as diarrhea. He keeps on coming back with crap. Man I'm sure the Asian guys reading your gay posts are cringing with embarassment that you are representing an Asian perspective. A perspective that stinks of political correctness and white ass licking. You sir are worse than the "Malinchistas" I mentioned earlier. You need to open up a gigante size can of STFU. If you recall I have not slandered or denigrated the Asian male in any of my posts. Most of that was done by the female Asian posters of this thread. What I posted was more along the lines of constructive critizism and stating how the the mainstream media portrays Asian men (passive,weak physically unattractive geek that may know some kung-fu) and women (passive, docile, submissive exotic sex objects thats "gonna pick some other white guy"- not my words; read the article). After all, isn't it the subject of this article; Asian stereotypes displayed by the media?? Like the other Asian poster said: I'm just telling it like it is. So man the fuck up!
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wow
November 18th, 2009 - 7:16:12 PM
Jesse, you seem to be a self hating Asian asshole yourself.Dumb fuck.Just because someone says you "tell it like it is" doesn't mean what you are saying is fact.Don't hate on Asian women.I know alot of Asian men dumbfucks that hate on Asian women and put white women on a pedestal.You seem to be one.Fuck you and that bitch Thuyen.
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wow
November 18th, 2009 - 7:19:38 PM
you say you know several "Latina" women that hate it when other "Latinos" date outside their race.And you have a thing for "Latina" women.And that makes those so called Latina women good for hating on others?I know many "Latinas" whose mother insist they stick with white men not even Latino men for the money.This Mexican girl I know that is with an Asian guy her mother doesn't like it she wants her mother to be with an Anglo white because she thinks they have more money.Bitches like you Jesse are haters and self haters.And Latinos are actually a white ethnic group.Since you lust after "Latino" women, it's safe to say you have a taco fetish and you are a white ass licker yourself.
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wow
November 18th, 2009 - 7:24:11 PM
and I know many Mexican girls that are with white men for the money or to move up in society.Same for black men with white girls, etc.And black women with white men.And even white women with black men, NFL players, NBA players etc.And white women with white men as well, like that white hooker Gretchen Rossi on "Real Housewives of Orange County".She's the ultimate obvious golddigger but no one says shit about her being a golddigger.If Asian women were on welfare and popping out babies left and right llike women of other races and not getting their education then it would make what you say credible.Annie Le was an achiever that happened to fall in love with a white guy and vice versa.Accept it and shove it up your ass bitch.
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wow
November 18th, 2009 - 7:47:49 PM
you ppl realize how many white men and women have murdered, molested, and ate their children and other children yet they don't get stereotyped?They also practice beastiality.It's on the news every freakin day!!!!!What does that say, white ppl truly don't get stereotyped.Yes Thuyen you motherfucker I'm sure you'll come up with one or two examples of Asian crimes.Whatever.They don't do that shit in Asia.But it's like almost every crime commited by whites is some sick sadistic shit and no one says anything because whites get judged individually and even then they find some excuse for that behavior even though it's a common behavior in whites.
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Thuyen
November 19th, 2009 - 12:34:00 PM
"you ppl realize how many white men and women have murdered, molested, and ate their children and other children yet they don’t get stereotyped?They also practice beastiality.It’s on the news every freakin day!!!!!What does that say, white ppl truly don’t get stereotyped.Yes Thuyen you motherfucker I’m sure you’ll come up with one or two examples of Asian crimes.Whatever.They don’t do that shit in Asia.But it’s like almost every crime commited by whites is some sick sadistic shit and no one says anything because whites get judged individually and even then they find some excuse for that behavior even though it’s a common behavior in whites." People are people. I do think you are wrong to do some stereotyping of your own. But I can tell there is a lot of hurt given it seems all that you went through. I know you don't see me as a friend, but take this advice: if any white or black or whoever outside your and my color offer to be friends with you and are good to you, don't push them away. You never know when you really need them or their friendship. Trust me on that. I know. Whatever does not kill you make you stronger. I see you are one tough cookie. Just do yourself a favor and channel it positively. I know it is tough. It hurts to be slurred with remarks like chink or gook. Cruel words over people's color have no place in society. You're young, and I should not have been so hard on you, and I am sorry if I am. You have a lot of years to grow. Hang tough. God bless, and take care.
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wow
November 21st, 2009 - 7:54:17 PM
@ thuyen you are definitely not my friend and if you were around me and talked that bullshit I'd smack the shit out of you. 2nd other Asians go through racism too,from all of them black whites and Mexicans.My problem extends past name calling, I have been racially harassed out of work, racially gained up on etc.I'm sure other Asians face the same thing. 3rd Everytime you hear about a crime commited by a white person whether it's in Asia, Africa, or the U.S. it's always having to do with stealing money, child pornography, esp. their Catholic priests who have a fetish for young boys, crimes against nature etc.Homosexuality and pedophilism is inherent in white ppl.Doesn't matter what country.It's a white thing.So don't fucking try to say it's because it's a white country AGAIN the nature of the crime has nothing to do with the population you stupid bitch even you can't rebuttal my facts. last don't try to give me advice, I know who and what I am and what I'm saying.You need to stop acting like a sissy bitch. And I bet screen names "Jesse, VillageMilk etc. are the same person.
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wow
November 22nd, 2009 - 10:09:38 AM
for the person that says I'm using Annie's tragedy to discuss just"me, me, me", shortly after her death all the white ppl on the discussion board was gliding over her tragic death and talking about themselves it was all about "me, me, me" for them, talking about their safety etc.As if it was an urban crime, when it was one of their own.At least what I talk about relates to her death, it was a hate crime, she stood up to that monster and he couldn't handle it because she was Asian.I know other Asians have to deal with it too that's why we avoid confrontation.
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TruthIsOutThere
November 25th, 2009 - 8:53:09 AM
White person kills a non-white person - that's the story. White dude was most likely a member of the KKK that the white fiance hired to kill the non-white Annie. This nation is all about whites killing non-whites.
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scodecliectop
February 28th, 2010 - 9:01:43 AM
This time, Jarak bowed from the waist, his long white ponytail spilling over one shoulder. Salin had accepted that from the time hed first seen his brother as a babe. To a raedjour, that could be as effective as a douse of icy cold water. She held her breath when Arkir dived underneath Lanthans arm, caught him in a hold. Someones strong arms surrounded her, and a broad chest met her cheek. It was so different, this control. She and Radin dined with Hyle and Gala in their rooms. Hyle was there, kneeling beside her. She raised her hand and knocked. Clearing her throat, she stepped back and turned to face Nialdlye again. She barely restrained the urge to push up and seal her lips to his. I cant apologize any more tonight. She froze, lost in the icy heat of his gaze. He was on his elbow now, his lips a breath away from hers. It sparked the flame, and she dropped to scream into the mattress. She ended up draped over his chest, her cheek resting over his heartbeat. Theres no reason I should flourish. That, and you havent asked to talk to me alone before. His bold words cut through a world of insecurity. Its so much more convenient.
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