Jake Pavelka and Vienna Girardi are going head to head in tonight’s highly anticipated Bachelorette special. The former couple has been making headlines the past week with a very public breakup and allegations of infedility and lies.
“You are the biggest fake liar I have ever met in my entire life” Vienna says during one part of the interview.
Despite Jake’s accusation that Vienna was cheating on him with Greek star Gregory Michael, Vienna insists nothing ever happened between the two.
“Then who’s the guy you had in the apartment on Saturday night,” Jake quipped after Vienna said she barely knew who Gregory was.
According to Chris Harrison, the conversation gets very heated between the former lovebirds. “There’s a lot of he said/she said” the popular host said of his conversations with the two.
So how did such a promising relationship (according to them) go so wrong so fast?
Jake says Vienna was lying and Vienna says Jake was lying.
I’ve watched every episode of the Bachelor and Bachelorette since the first seasons and I have to honestly say we have no idea who to believe in this case.
As much as Vienna was the villain on the show, she seems much more sincere than Jake at this point. Never in a million years would I have imagined writing those words but there they are.
I’m officially going with Team Vienna on this one: Who’s side are you on?
Update: I’m watching it as its airing right now and I think I might be changing my mind. Vienna seems very quick to defend herself while Jake seems a little more sincere in this interview. Plus, it seems like Chris Harrison is on Jake’s side – and I respect Chris Harrison so I might change my vote – is that allowed?
Update #2: Okay I might be back on Vienna’s side. She seems truly upset after she runs out. I think maybe I should just stay on the fence until after the interview has ended but, for now, I might be back on Vienna’s side. I realize this is probably not allowed? Seriously – is anyone else as confused as I am here? I’ve never gone back and forth on something so quickly!
Check out the sneak peek from tonight’s special below to help you make your decision:
JAKE JAKE JAKE! I cant believe anyone would side with Vienna. She’s a sell out and she wanted the money from the Star interview. She’s pathetic.
Jake all the way. He was always genuine and she was always the liar. I agree with you Jenna. I cant believe anyone would side with that witch.
While I would have normally agreed with you guys (Jenna and bachfan) and six months ago I would never believe it but i actually think that Vienna is telling the truth. I think (as Chris Harrison said in an interview) they’re both lying to some extent but I think Jake is being too affected by the fame. Its a shame really.
Vienna is the liar. Jake’s the nice guy
Team Jake. Women are crazy when it comes to breakups and she’s just trying to cover her own ass. its so obvious.
How about neither. They’re both fame whores and they’re both the worst contestants to ever grace the bachelor or bachelorette show. I hope I never see either of these two again!
I’m on team jake. I hope to see him on the bachelor pad. I think vienna needs to crawl under a rock and never come back.
I think there is some truth to both sides of the story….However, Vienna is posting like crazy on FB and Jake is laying low which says something about Vienna and her immaturity. I don’t believe Jake is gay and I think Vienna is going over board in making Jake out to be a monster.
They are both pathetic…don’t give either of them anymore attention…period.
Hey Donna, can you please provide the link to Vienna’s FB page? Thanks!
I have since day 1 not liked her. She was so fake I still can’t believe he chose her. I’ on Jake’s side
Jake all the way!!! I haven’t liked Vienna since she was on the bachelor and I was so surprised when he picked her! I knew it wouldn’t last. I’m glad she’s been exposed for the b**** she is!
JAKE ALL THEE WAY !(: vienna is a fame whore. i can’t believe jake chose her to begin with. none of the other girls could stand her & now we clearly see why.
team jake. vienna is a fake, she’s been acting since she got on tv.
I’m actually going to have to side with Vienna. Although I definitely didn’t like her on the show, I’m seeing Jake in a totally different light. I’m not sure what her intentions were on the show, but when she says that she was completely faithful towards him, I thought it was sincere.
I am 110% w/ Jake. Vienna can’t just stop talking.She wouldn’t even let Jake talk. So, it’s good that they broke up. And good job Jake. You made the right decision to leave Vienna but you made the wrong decision for choosing Vienna.She’s such a fake..
I’m on Vienna’s side. Jake is very cockey.
It is so obvious Jake is lying. I hated Vienna all season, and I am still not a fan…however, it is completely clear she is being sincere about this. I agree with the polygraph idea!
I’m actually team Vienna. They are definitely both lying somewhat… Jake is acting way differently and I see him in a unique light. Vienna seems genuinely upset and Jake seems like he cares. Jake has definitely been affected by the fame thing you can tell since he’s running out to get acting jobs.
VIENNA!!! Trust me I believe her.. Jake definately has anger problems. Vienna always spoke her mind on the Bachelor and I believe she’s keepin it real now.
I am watching this live and she is making me CRAZY. She needs to stop interrupting.
so why didn’t she just leave? First she wanted to go to florida and then says that she can’t?
I do think they were both wrong for each other and both lying in part.
Totaly Jake, Vienna has been a needy, spoiled self centered girl that went from her daddy buying her cars after she wrecked several to a man that she thought would “take care” of her. Please he should have picked Tennly, Vienna is suck a fake girl, hey Vienna Hooters is hiring why dont you just move back to florida and take your close off and go pose for Playboy, you are a skank and a cheater. She enjoyed life when you are in front of the cameras and now that there is some normalcy in your life she bails and runs to the papers and sells her story. Jake you can do much better, Vienna go away.
VIENNA. HE is COMPLETELY fake.. everything he does is for publicity!
Jake is the COLD type and she is very EMOTIONAL…this will never work.
In the Bachelor Tell All, Vienna was trying to respectfully say her side and Jake first words were to attack her, why would he use such a vile word as you are disgusting. That’s what set her off which is what caused her to retaliate and call him a liar. He was so childish throughout the entire thing.
Women, take note of how annoying Vienna was and then she sold a story to the tabloids. RUN!!!
I believe Vienna. Jake seems like a maniacal control freak who can’t stand it when he’s “undermined.” Of course, it would have helped if he truly knew the meaning of the word. He’s a media whore and is a disgusting human being.
I think jake is fake very corky and stuck up attitude. He’s sitting there with that air of arrogance about him its annoying. I liked him on the bachelor but now he’s totally changed his skin so corky. He used the bachelor to get some fame plain and simple…..
I have watched the show as well as the interview again. And I have come to a final verdict. I am no ones side. Vienna is telling the truth, she has always had a knack of doing so. My only problem is that her going to the tabloids (as much as she would like to justify it) was the first move in digging a grave. If she thought Jake was gonna do it, she should have let him really I mean then we all would have seen the monster. I really dislike her, but I don’t know her either but she is immature and very spoilt and OVER emotional and she does say things which are out of order, I can see how that would piss Jake off. She also continuously made jake out to be prince perfect and charming and when the real him surfaced she wasn’t happy with her perfect package. Jake is not fake he just didn’t show us that side on the bachelor, there is truth to what he is saying but his body language and the expression on his face tell another story, then again he could just be pissed about his name being dragged thru the mud like that! Wouldn’t you be? And he didn’t say she was disgusting he said he was disgusted. Oh goodness. Right. But I feel he dug is own grave, he chose Vienna not us right? Despite the controversy, he knew what he was getting himself into. A month later he is frustrated at his choice and he can’t decently let it go. Rubbish. I feel tho he didn’t lie when asked question about accusations made by Vienna. Chris my word people, he was not taking a side! He was clearly concerned about the fact that Vienna was unhappy and sold her life out to the papers. Which indeed was not fair. He was just as unimpressed by the stories surfacing about Jake and his abusive nature. Nearly jumped out his seat when jake lost it. Relationships don’t go right we get that, but they are about two people not you me and Haiti… Seriously guys we really don’t know what happened we merely speculate… Both people took up the offer of Bachelor pad, what does that say to you guys? Hmmmm I’m team we don’t wanna hear it, its your relationship sort it out amongst yourself please*
Vienna all the way. Jake was sooo fake.
watch it again, and really watch his face he is so busted. for real guys and girls watch it with and open mind she is telling the truth and i was a jake fan before this.
Jake is such a loser! He demonstrated what a control freak, narcissist, and short man he really is!!! She is no bargain and has her share of problems but he showed what a sick, pathetic, controlling short man he really is. He is a classic narcissist. He has an anger management problem and is prone to violence; he admitted it. This often happens when someone cannot control another person. She should be happy to be rid of such garbage. She can do better. It is no wonder he is single. It should come as no surprise that he has serious personality issues; who would go on this show???
Team Jake! She needs someone to wire her mouth to shut her up. She is such a spoiled brat!!!!!
Neither but She was too immature for him, she is spoilt and needs to grow up. Jake please date a girl your age. There is a big difference between the 30s and early 20s
I am actually in agreement with Vienna. I am married to a guy just like Jake. People think he is wonderful on the outside and don’t know him behind closed doors. I feel her pain. She is simply frustrated and that is why she is interrupting. She has allot she wants to say. But she needs to realize with a guy like Jake you will NEVER get him to understand.
Oh dear! Vienna is overemotional, immature and self-centered. Jake is hostile, controlling and narcissistic. They both need to return to a normal life and grow up a bit. This is a morality play about cheap fame.
Jake is not the same person as he was on the Bachelor. Vienna looks geniunely upset and Jake couldn’t care less. I agree, Vienna has repeatedly interrupted Jake but the way he exploded at her, “STOP INTERRUPTING ME!” It was a different side of him. Jake’s running to grab acting jobs nowadays, and that just shows the fame whore side of him. And its pretty obvious Chris is on Jake’s side.
They are both selfish and only in it for themselves.
I’m On Jake’s Side…Vienna Kept Talking when Jake Was Talking How Rude Is That Jake Let Vienna Talk… I Think Vienna Is Jealous That Jake Got To Go On DWTS And She Didn’t Vienna Just Wanted To Be On Tv She Needs To Grow Up Already Jake Made The Wrong Decision He Should Of Picked Tenley…Jake I’m Sure It Won’t Take You Long To Find Someone….Good Luck
My first husband was a complete sociopath and when Vienna was describing her relationship with Jake and the way he was responding to her, it was a complete flashback. That guy has problems and has the looks and teeth to cover it up. Go girl! And I mean it literally.
GOD VIENNA….SHUT UP AND QUIT INTERRUPTING HIM!!!!!! Everytime he tries to talk, she starts talking and won’t shut up. I was about to go nuts because I can’t stand someone interrupting all the time like she does!!
JAKE IS AN ARROGANT ASSHOLE!!!!!!
I was team Jake until the interview. I cannot believe how smug and belittling he was toward her. He is scary!!! Still don’t like her but that guy has issues.
Jake is ridiculous – he’s really full of himself…don’t believe a word he says. Never was a Vienna fan but she seems more honest than he. I understand what she’s saying about getting her opportunity to tell her side – before he grandstands…don’t know what makes him think he’s a catch. He only wanted to be on the show – just like Ali…..can’t watch anymore….yuk
The body language clearly shows that Jake is the liar. Vienna may have issues but Jake is clearly the one covering up things. He is a smug little punk who is self-centered and has no respect for women.
Vienna I have one thing to say to you…. READ “WHY DOES HE DO THAT? INSIDE THE MINDS OF ANGRY AND CONTROLLING MEN” by Lundy Bancroft. Jake is CLASSIC abuser. I was married to one, a pilot too. My skin crawled the first few episodes I watched. Jake is a manipulator. Get FAR FAR away from him!!!
Jake is a crooked mouth liar!! He is putting up a front and Vienna is being real!! So what she got paid, she would have been stupid not to go for da money for all the pain she obviously is in
Jake is such a loser! How dare he yells at a woman? I am not on either side but it is obvious that Jake has anger issues.
He is indeed a fame whore. I can’t stand him.
Jake is a nasty fame whore. He isn’t capable to truely loving anyone but himself. Vienna is a beautiful womann and he doesnt deserve her!!
shut the fuck up, jake obviously isn’t lying. You know she’s lying when he says something, she has to interrupt and try to cover up what he said. It is so fucking obvious if you are with vienna, you are fucking retarded.
And for those of you who keep posting that Vienna should shut up and let Jake talk, TRUST ME, she keeps interrupting him because she is so angry inside because she’s been abused and she is trying like all hell to speak up. Watching her tonight brings back so many feelings of my own. You don’t know how it feels unless you’ve been with someone who is emotionally, verbally, mentally abusive. She was RIGHT about knowing Jake would go to the tabloids if she didn’t. I am not her best friend nor a big fan of hers BUT I believe her. Her body language and reactions were classic for a woman who’s been a victim of abuse. Thank GOD she was strong enough to get away now before they got married.
The first show with Jake I could tell he was an ARROGANT jerk, and he was a pathological liar. Never watch another show until tonight. Jake is a drama queen. It is a shame that ABC has allowed the show to make it was to the gutter. Lost viewer….
VIENNA read this book!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “WHY DOES HE DO THAT? Inside the minds of angry and controlling men” by Lundy Bancroft
riiiiiiiight. She has been abused. yep. WRONG!!! definitely wrong. She definitely is a liar because she interrupts him for 1 reason. SHE IS AT FAULT!!! She did cheat on him and everybody knows it and wants her to admit it but she won’t say it, because it is true.
Most emotional abusers are adept at convincing the victim that the abuse is his/her fault. Somehow, the victim is responsible for what happened. Jake is a jerk!
The longer a woman remains under the grip of an emotional abuser, the more she will start to question herself, her actions and her beliefs. It is his intent to get her to feel that she is the cause of any relationship problems, and that his (abusive) behavior is simply a response to her, and therefore acceptable. It is true, that only through her actions can she make it stop – she must have the courage to leave the relationship and avoid further contact with the abuser.
Godd riddence!! Way to go Vienna! Good luck with every thing.
Jake! I think he’s put up with her childish brat arse much longer than most. Her incessant chatter and intereruption would make me lose my patience way sooner. And oh yes, I’m a girl, and she embarasses me. Jake I’d date you any day. You need an adult not an trailer brat.
I am siding with Vienna – much to my surprise. She just seems like she is genuinely feeling…. I totally believe what she says about his inability to communicate. Vienna may have been “harder” than we prefer during the Bachelor, but at least you could count on her to be HONEST!
Listen, she can be lying about being with someone else but that doesn’t negate that she shows signs of being abused on certain levels. She’s young and probably fears Jakes anger issues if she came clean (if she is in fact lying). Who ever is on team Jake…. freaking go get him and when you run to another mans arms you’ll understand Vienna.
Team Vienna! In the beginning I did not like her but I must say after watching the interview, I am suppoting her. He felt immasculated because she doubled-checked his directions?? Who doesn’t do that? My husband and I cross-check each other all the time just to be sure. Jake is gay, bottom line and he’s won’t man-up and admit it.
WOW! How could any woman with respect for themselves vote on the side of Jake? He obviously is a manipulative, cruel, control freak! With every expression on his smug face told the absolute truth of his true character. The positive outcome of all of this is Vienna is still young enough to hopefully learn never to accept treatment from any man as he has treated you! Vienna you will meet someone who deserves you much better than Power Trip Boy Jake!!
Jake is mean!! You can see it in his body language and smug look on his face. We only saw a portion of his temper on TV – imagine what it is really like behind closed doors. You are better off without him. Besides, I heard he had a girlfriend behind your back!!
Absolutely Vienna was right in that interview. I didn’t even watch the original show but while I came upon that interview tonight I was shocked at how disrespectful he was to her and kept yelling at her for budding in when she was in a forum where they were supposed to both be discussing something. Under no circumstances should a man treat a woman the way he did on that interview. It was atrocious. You can tell he withheld intimacy from her, which is absolutely painful for a woman who just wants to be loved by her man. Additionally, he has anger issues which was clear from him throwing the GPS after she “challenged” him by checking herself. She is an independent woman. He definitely needs a mindless “yes” woman who will not give him the challenges he says he needs. Vienna, he would have hurt you – either physically or emotionally. Leaving him was probably very smart but definitely the right thing.
Emotional abusers overcompensate for their self-hate with a warped kind of narcissism. Jake got caught in a lie and got exposed in a situation where he couldn’t immediately manipulate Vienna into taking the rap, he then went for the sympathy ploy, in an attempt deflect the situation away from his bad behavior.
Total jerk and a moron!
jake is a fake …girls look out for his type
At first I couldn’t stand Vienna, But its so clear that that man is a control freak. He can fly a plane but doesn’t know the definition of undermining. If she drop he whole life to be with him and he throws money in her face thats NOT A MAN! He thinks he’s big and bad cause he can fly a plane? He said on the show tonight ” I flew your dog in on MY DOLLAR” Talk about WOW! She has every right to get paid after the whole world hated on her and then Jake used that as a way to control her and BELITTLE her. Stand up for yourself hun:) Your so right about ANY woman that doesn’t talk over him is just a YES girl. IT BETTER TO BE ALONE then to settle for that life…..
I think all this “drama” is made up from the beginning. I used to watch the bachelor, but I have come to the conclusion that the show is all made up and really fake. Jake and Vienna are disgusting individuals that will do anything just to get some fame, even-though the fame is completely negative
I think Jake made himself look like an idiot in the interview. He acted like he didn’t care, he had no emotion and seemed smug. Right now Tenley must be feeling really lucky. Jake is not only a jerk but also the biggest dork.
I felt so awful for Vienna. No one should ever be treated that way, the way he was treating her. He was just so cold, insensitive and has some anger issues. He kept saying that she would undermine him, I see him doing that to her. He’s talkinga about her being in the public eye, when he’s on Extra all.the. time. He’s a pathetic excuse for a man. I’ve been in a relationship where a man talked to me like that and I swore I would never ever go into something like that again. And I haven’t. She deserves a great guy cause she seems like a great girl. All she wanted was affection and attention, there is nothing wrong with that, in fact thats part of a relationship, one of the main factors. Jake disgusts ME!
Jake is passive aggressive. He may have people fooled but I have been in too many relationships with men just like him. He is all about saving face with his calm manner. Vienna don’t waste another tear on him. Learn from it and move on.
Well, I have always seen Vienna as a spoiled, princess who has always had her way. I think she had major jealousy issues, especially when Jake was getting out into the lime lite. However, I saw a different Jake on July 5th – he appeared VERY angry ( understood)but I almost got the feeling he was a little over demanding & maybe a controlling. It’s hard to make an assessment in a he said she said… but I always said NO JAKE NOT VIENNA !! I don’t feel sorry for either of them !
Watching the show made me want to punch Jake the jerk in the face! What an A-hole!!!!!
Jake is obviously the liar and I don’t like Vienna either but she seems more sincere. Jake is a self-absorbed bisexual who has anger issues because he is frustrated that he can’t be homo
WHAT A LOSER!!! Give’s me the creeps! Jake was using the “mind change” tactic to set Vienna up in a no-win situation. No matter what she does, he will find a way to find fault with it. Abusers are completely self-centered. They blame other people and seldom take responsibility for their own actions.
Vienna, you did the right thing! Bravo girl!
This is a tough one to figure out. I know from the responses of the other girls to Vienna on the Bachelor that she would be very difficult to deal with and I think the July 5th interview shows that. She is as self-centered, self-absorbed, immature, and controlling as I would imagine her to be. However, it looks like the fault may lie in both directions. She is just too young for him and he seems indifferent, distant, and uncommunicative.
Team Vienna. Whereas Vienna can recall specific incidences, the Asshole could not pinpoint anything about Vienna’s actions, just her reactions. All he could comment is her dissatisfaction of him. He is an egotistical jerk who cares only for himself. No one should put up with that type of abuse.
Anyone of you who sides with someone like Jake is in for a life of pure hell. My ex was a control freak like Jake and could have ended up a murderer! Seriously, Jake has respect for women issues and anger management problems up the whazu! Get some help Jake before someone really gets hurt!
how can you trust chris when he himself was caught flirting with a bachelorette a few seasnons back. How ignorant can you be!
Vienna is in the right, Jake is a control freak and most likely abusive asshole
It seemed like Jake was really watching what he was saying, almost like being careful not to be caught in a lie, and he had so many stories about why they broke up (ie selling him out, undermining him, cheating on him). Vienna, on the other hand, seemed like she was letting out raw emotion and telling it the way it is and stuck to her story (ie he was more focused on being in the spotlight than building his relationship with her). Nevertheless, it’s sad to see that they didn’t care about each other enough to keep this break up a private matter. I wish them both the best.
I have to agree that I am shocked I am totally on Side Vienna. Her legs were crossed towards him, he was smirking at her and not phased when she was in pain the entire time. Even Harrison was in disbelief when he asked Jake, “Are you concerned about her at all?” when she ran out sobbing. All Jake did was shrug and laugh it off. Horrible. Tanya, Jake’s ex-girlfriend, told the world he only did the show for money and fame. She said he would date a gorilla if it meant he got famous, that he was lying to Vienna from the beginning and nobody paid attention to her.
You were right Tanya. Vienna is immature, but IN PAIN. I hope Jake crashes and burns. This interview gave him BAD PUBLICITY. Good.
Sorry to bust all of you girl’s bubbles but Jake is not a fake, is not cockey and is not lying. I’ve been in almost the exact same type of relationship. I did everything I could to please her but no matter what I ever did or what I ever said, it was always wrong and she would question everything I said. And when I say everything, I mean everything and just watching the interaction between the two of them tonight I can see that Jake has been dealing with the same thing. No matter how much you care for someone, after having to deal with someone like Vienna, it just kills the love to a point where we finally decide that the other person is not going to put us down anymore. Jake may look cold and cockey but that is just his way of telling her that she no longer has control over him and he will no longer allow her to cut him down at every turn. If he did anything less, he would no longer be a person with any self esteem. Ladies, believe me when I tell you that if you were in a relationship where your man constantly questioned everything you ever said, about anyhing, you would probably do the same thing Jake did. I feel really bad for Jake because I’ve been in his shoes and it really hurts to think that someone that you love could have so little respect for you. I think it hurts even more than having the other person have an affair. At least with an affair it’s usually about them and not about you.
A “little” controlling someone says? Wow! Someone who THROWS the garmen into the backseat of the car because their girlfriend wanted to put the directions in the garmen to make sure she didn’t get lost, has SEVERE anger issues! I used to be naive and think things were my fault until I dated someone with issues like these! Vienna, be grateful you got out when you did!
To Mdfield1, I hope you are not serious. Do you find throwing the garmen into the backseat of the car because you felt emasculated to be an acceptable way to handle yourself with your fiance? You scare me if you give him a pass on that!
Did you see the way Jake treated Chelsie on Dancing with the Stars? She was trying to teach him dance steps to help HIM WIN, and he told her off, saying to stop correcting his dance moves. He said, “I’m not asking you Chelsie, I’m telling you.” Can you believe that crap?! Then the next thing we saw is Jake telling Chelsie she was “disrespecting him.” Wow. He has insecurity issues BIG TIME, is defensive, and mean.
He only came back the next week and apologized to Chelsie cuz it ruined his votes on DWTS. Even Reality Steve is on TEAM Vienna. And he follows this stuff closer than anybody.
Bob, wake up buddy! The guy has anger issues! Did you not notice his arrogance and abusiveness? Are you blind?! Would you want your sister or mother to be treated the way Jake treated Vienna? Think about that long and hard budddy!
Jake is a total a**hole !!!! I’m so glad that Vienna is getting away from that ice-cold, self-absorbed, lying jerk !!!! I HATE men like Jake !!! No woman should ever put up with that sh*t!
To Suzanne T.
Read my previous post before jumping to conclusions. Jake is not a control freak. If you girls were in a relationship where your guy questioned everything you said and did and never let you finish a sentence without interrupting, EVER, I think you might have a different opinion altogether.
Jake’s team, why would Vienna stay in California if she hates it so bad, why not move back home with daddy. She is the fame whore.
Jake definitely lost this one. Yes, Vienna came off as emotional but, all things considered, this is to be expected. Vienna seemed genuinely upset and distraught over the end of the relationship and that makes me feel that she is the one who was more invested. Jake on the other hand came off as narcissistic and smug. His detachment and reliable smirk only make him seem uncaring and speak to his self-centeredness. And regarding the interrupting, it was a forum for exchange…she corrected him when he was lying. I don’t consider that interruption. Sometimes you don’t get a second chance to make that correction especially on TV.
Plus, it is so obvious that he is the one that wants to be in the limelight since he went on Dancing with the Stars right after the Bachelor wrapped. He could have been with his new bride to be, but instead chose to go on another show! How much more evidence do we need?
Vienna is so much better off without Jake in her life.
This interview only made me like Vienna more and I wish her only the best. She deserves it.
If you are blind to Jake’s abuse, you must be blind to Obama’s abuse of our nation. Only a Democrat would not be able to think clearly on this one!
THIS IS ALL OBAMA’S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a complete jerk! You know I hated Vienna during the bachelor, but everything I thought about her I now think about him…..fake, complete asshole…gosh I am so glad Allie turned away!
I have not been a ienna fan at all. I really liked jake until DWTS…he was pompous and arrogant and sometimes mean with Chelsea…he has a quick temper and no patience.
I disagree with Vienna selling her story but I do understand her wanting to get it out there because she was NOT liked on the show.
Jake came across during the show as someone trying to hold in rage. He made clipped comments meant to cut her to the core. She has never had her say and she was interrupting but I think it was due to his lying At this point Jake feels he has the public in the palm of his hand…neither have me…but I believe her.
Vienna is a liar and acting for the camera. She cheated on her first husband while he was in Iraq. Everything she says is a lie! Sorry for all of you who are giving her sympathy. Vienna always plays the victim. She is looking for a career and money, not love!
Jake is not an honest guy. I don’t care for Vienna, but I believe her and am not surprised. Ali was lucky she did not end up with him. He is a waste of any woman’s time.
Wow, you stupid people who can’t see that this freak of nature called Jake is a psycho astonishes me. It is so obvious that it was a set up from the beginning. Chris Harrison and this cockroach Jake are manipulators. Karma’s a bitch people. It’s so sad and somewhat comical that Jake played his A game in trying to sway sympathy. I love it when manipulators THINK they are so slick, that they actually fool themselves in thinking they’ve fooled most of America. People like Jake take up my good oxygen. This AMATEUR needs his ass kicked. LOST VIEWER, ABC SUCKS EVEN MORE NOW.
Case in point. Mary is an idiot above. Jake is the career and fame monger.. Stupidity at it’s finest. Did ya enjoy Dancing with the Stars IDIOT????? checkmate!!!!
Jake is an arrogant, mentally abusive, demeaning, controlling, temperamental, smug, and cold-hearted snake of a man. Vienna, good thing you got away from him before further abuse was inflicted. Now that he has exposed his true demeanor on national television, he may need to retreat to the cockpit (no pun intended).
Everyone has their breaking point. A man who respects women, when they’ve hit their breaking point, throws the Garmin. A man who doesn’t probably hits the woman. I’ve never hit a woman but I was pushed to the breaking point, just like Jake was. I my case, I didn’t throw anything, I actually put a hole in a wall. That is the only time I ever lost my temper like that with a woman and especially with a woman whom I thought at one time to love me. When it happens you just snap, the emotion is so huge. You probably can’t understand because you’re not a man but being emasculated constanty, by the woman that you love and supposedly loves you, just does something to your psyche. Luckily for Vienna, Jake is not like a lot of men who think nothing of hitting a woman.
Vienna gets my vote! You could tell it drives Jake CRAZY that a woman might actually have an opinion and would DARE she question is authority…. Jake is a control freak.
If Vienna was lying, she deserves an Academy award. I cannot believe that there are women siding with Jake. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I totally believe Vienna. She may not have been well liked during the season, but I believe she is telling the truth. I said to my husband from the beginning that there was something wrong with Jake. A 32 year pilot that is that good looking that can’t find a girlfriend or someone to love – something is wrong. On one of the shows he showed his temper when he either slammed a door or threw something – I can’t remember which one. Everything she said he did is true. He is just trying to cover it up now.
Vienna gets my vote! You could tell it drives Jake CRAZY that a woman might actually have an opinion and how DARE she question is authority…. Jake is a control freak.
What a jackass Jake is! I have never been a fan of Vienna but at one point I thought Jake was a decent guy. No more! What a bullshitting douch bag.
Vienna and I are nothing alike, but boy is Jake EXACTLY like my ex!! Did you all see the smug apathetic look on his face as he repeatedly got in lower and lower blows on her? BTW – people don’t just suddenly become the type who yell and snap, personality is what it is – so he’s full of crap on that one. If Vienna was really that horrible he could have always left.
There’s a significant age and class difference between these two. That relationship was doomed from the start
Vienna! Jake treated Chelsea the same way; the ex-girlfriend had him pegged long ago!
Sorry gals. Believe what you want but it has nothing to do with Vienna having her own opinion. With my ex I respected every opinion she ever had . That is just being courteous. That’s the problem with Vienna. Not only does she not allow Jake to have an opinion, she even questions or doubts what he says, even after he has shown her that he has checked to make sure that he is correct before he even says anything. Like I said before, you would have to live through it to understand it. Until you have, you just don’t have anything to base your belief on. If I hadn’t seen the show tonight and just went by what I’ve read in the tabloids, I would be on Vienna’s side. In the final analysis, I just want them both to go their separate ways and stay off of tv. Other than Trista, none of the shows ended in love and marriage. Just goes to show you that you need more time than this show allows to
really know somene. Love at first sight is a failure as far as I am concerned.
As annoying as Vienna is… come on, listen to her words. She may not have been our favorite during Jake’s season but who really cares? When she speaks and when Jake speaks, you can sense the sincerity in her voice. She has so much emotion built in her.. but honestly, how would you feel if you were put in this situation? Of course, I’m sure both of them want a piece of the spotlight and fame, but when it comes to honesty and who’s telling the truth.. I’m on Vienna’s side. You obviously can’t expect someone to admit 100% the truth on television.. but Jake’s manner is just way to fake. You can definitely tell by the way he acts that he’s hiding a lot and trying to keep a lot to himself. Do you really think he’d admit certain things on television? Of course not. And his tone when he completely snapped at Vienna… not very convincing.
I did see a different side to him…I never liked her on the show, and while she seemed winy, and immature, he came off really bad. The whole throwing the GPS into the backseat (which he acknowledged doing) over her punching in an addressed seemed crazy. I can see my husband and I being lost, and after him thinking we were pretty well there, me pushing it into GPS. He would never react so harsh…That made me think, not such a nice guy. It was apparent there was some truth in her saying he treated her like a child, which probably made her even worse….Just bad all the way around.
I did see a different side to him…I never liked her on the show, and while it was apparent, she really has a lot of growing up to do, he came off really bad. The whole throwing the GPS into the backseat (which he acknowledged doing) over her punching in an addressed seemed crazy. I can see my husband and I being lost, and after him thinking we were pretty well there, me pushing it into GPS. He would never react so harsh…That made me think, not such a nice guy. It was apparent there was some truth in her saying he treated her like a child, which probably made her even worse….Just bad all the way around.
Jake is so completely insecure and became a pilot to make himself feel important and in control. That didn’t make him feel any better about himself, so now he wants to be in the spotlight! In Jake’s mind it’s all about HIM. Unless, he’s in control at everything he feels worthless. Does this sound like Jake?
Signs of Insecurity
* An insecure person becomes overly selfish. He tries to surround himself with possessions, accolades and attention.
* An insecure person becomes overly accommodating and tries to gain other people’s approval.
* Insecure people tend to be very defensive and cannot handle criticism. They are not comfortable with their own-self.
* Insecure people can’t enjoy silence and they try to fill it with unnecessary chatter.
* An insecure person craves for other people’s attention, which is achieved when he is in the spotlight and can control the situation and not questioned. However, this leads to insensitivity towards others.
* Insecure people are self promoting and constantly talk about themselves. They need validation from other people for their actions and qualities.
* Insecure people are even threatened by others and therefore by bullying they try to crush their opinion.
* Insecure people tend to be overly authoritative as they tend to compensate for their lack of confidence by taking out their frustrations on their subordinates.
* Over competitiveness is also a sign of insecurity. They are scared of losing and so they always keep themselves at the edge.
* Being materialistic also shows that person is insecure because he feels that by acquiring material wealth and showing it off he will be able to gain people’s attention and acknowledgement.
* Over jealousy is yet another sign of insecure people as they lack trust in their partners. This is visible in constant questioning, mistrust and altercations with the members of the opposite sex.
* Insecure people even become abusive if they fail to control their partners.
* Control Freaks are insecure people. They have feelings of superiority, believing that others are incapable of handling matters properly and enjoy the feeling of power it gives them so much that they automatically try to gain control of everything around them.
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Vienna, you are an independent, sincere woman. You deserve a sincere, self assured and loving man. Stay strong and best of luck for a happy future.
Team Vienna!!!!! Just watched the recorded version again. Clearly Jake has become self obsessed and used the show to gain his fame. Vienna shows credibility by giving concrete examples. I cannot believe he made comments like she “emasculated” me. What a wimp!
Team Vienna. Jake is a transparent mysoginistic douchebag. He blatantly manipulated and used that girl. He should be ashamed of himself.
Man it is so obvious that Jake is full of crap – yes Vienna may not be all that great herself and I agree both are lying in some ways, but Jake is so obviously fake – and did you see how he FLIPPED out at her at the end? He is such a control freak. Yes I think she is still immature and they do NOT work well together, but I definitely think Jake needs to stop being so god damn cocky and realize he really isn’t all that great.
I agree Emily. He kept accusing her of “undermining” him. The feel like you’re being undermined implies a status of assumed superiority and authority. He was totally unwilling to give her equal status and he most likely treats all women the same. The dude is a turd.
Jack is a. Liar he had such a cold look on his fast I believe he just want fame read the story about his x I never believe he was a good guy
I think they are both fake to some degree. But Jake was a smug jerk through the whole interview. I know that “face” having been in a controlling, abusive relationship in the past. He really did think he was fooling everyone! Then even being manipulative by saying she wouldn’t let him talk…he was doing that on purpose to make her look weak. He enjoys making her feel less than himself. TEXTBOOK ABUSER!!!!
I can’t help but be on Vienna’s side. She has never tried to hide who she is from anyone. She has been attacked from all angles. Now she just wants out. I honestly believe that Jake had a plan from the very beginning. He picked the girl no one liked so that he could blame her for the break up when he felt the time was right to end it. Unfortunately for Jake it didn’t work out quite the way he thought it would. The real eye opener for me was watching his ex-girlfriend, Tanya Douglas, on Entertainment Tonight last week. She seemed very credible, and said that Jake would step over (or on) anyone who tried to get in his way. It just seems that anyone who tries to tell their version of their owb experience with Jake gets trashed. Jake showed his true colors tonight–defensive, cold, and cruel. The rage inside him was very evident in his face.
The telltale thing to me is the Vienna seems pretty much exactly like she did on the show–a bit dramatic, very opinionated and fiery while Jake seems very different. His attempt to cover his seething anger and hatred only made him come across even more creepy. This guy was NOT who we saw on the TV show and I think is probably closer to the real Jake. Couldn’t be the prince he appeared to be and still be single anyway.
Sorry folks..Vienna is telling the truth. Jake has hidden anger issues and was caught up in the fame starting with Dancing with the Stars. I’ve dated jerks like him ” phony charm” convincing but a Monster behind closed doors.
He’s a little baby Mama’s boy which is why he was by himself in the first place even with all “that charm and good looks”
Now he’s been exposed and tried to hit her to…not surprised
Vienna is way too young and Jake really doesn’t like Vienna but for some reason he thought he did. That type of relationship was doomed from day one and a lot of people saw it. I predicted this would happen and gave it two months. It lasted 4. Vienna is clueless and classless. Jake is a good guy but needs more of an independent type of woman, yes a real Woman…
You all need to remember who Vienna is though. Her ex-boyfriend was a drug dealer who was arrested and sent to jail after the Bachelorette aired. She is bragging now that she will pose for Playboy. She cared for Jake? I dont think so, if she did she would never reveal all his secret faults and shortcomings to so many magazines so that she can get money. She didn’t care about him. I agree, Jake has an anger issue, and he should not have done this show, because he exposed his anger problems to everyone watching. I mean he shouldn’t have done if he really wants to be an actor, etc. He has always been respected and very well-liked but after tonight, I think that will change. I have to agree with him on one thing though…who would want to be intimate with such a nagging, non-stop chatterbox who thinks she is right about everything and he is wrong about everything. I agreed with him! She was emasculating and undermining to him, she would not let him speak! That does not give him the right to yell at her in such anger at the end though. But man, just watching that interview to me spoke worlds about how Vienna would drive off any man with her constant talking and refusing to let another person get a word in! She is very self-righteous in her opinions and feelings. Problems are always two-sided and she insisted on blaming Jake for everything. She has her part in it too. I am actually sad to see Jake like this tonight as he seemed like a great guy. If he really is a fame whore he made a huge miscalculation in airing this show tonight. His career may be dead after this all settles and he will be labelled as an emotional abuser. All said and done, it is very apparent these two should not be together!
You can tell from the details of their stories that JAKE is lying. If not, just based on his demeanor alone on the Bachelor’s Reunion, is evident of this fact. His “undermining” excuse is pathetic; he’s such a typical jackass of a guy. He shows no emotion and accountability whatsoever.
I may not care for Vienna but I feel sorry for her. It’s sad because Jake was so charming on the show…I guess he’s finally showing his true colors. If he’s an aspiring actor, then I guess he’s headed in the right direction.
Jake has demonstrated in many ways how insecure and controlling he is. He was even a jerk to his very nice partner Chelsey. Anytime any one questioned anything about him he was so sensitive there would be no way to negotiate in a relationship.
Did he really just say she undermined him by getting the GPS out because he already knew where the place was? WTF? If you feel undermined by a GPS, maybe you should seek mental help for your severe insecurity disorder! What a controlling macho man asshole. Vienna is lame but Jake is a horrible person.
Sorry folks..Vienna is telling the truth. Jake has hidden anger issues and was caught up in the fame starting with Dancing with the Stars. I’ve dated jerks like him ” phony charm” convincing but a Monster behind closed doors. He’s a little baby Mama’s boy which is why he was by himself in the first place even with all “that charm and good looks” Now he’s been exposed and tried to hit her to…not surprised Even his dancing with the stars partner said he talked down to her ad had a short temper. Vienna always spoke her mind to the other girls no matter what…why would she change that now…she tells it like it is and Jake is a complete brat…the little kid that never listened to stop when he acted up. Cheesy smile and probably dealing with coming out of the closet my GAYDAR SAYS! If Vienna stays in LA long enough she will eventually run into him in WEHO running around with some dude with both their shirts off hugging. What a douche, Spencer Pratt and him should move in together
The reason Vienna is interrupting Jake is that she is amazed that he would lie straight to the camera with calculated coldness. Her demeanor is one of a spontaneous excited utterance. After watching them interact, and even though I hated her on the show, I believe her. Her interruptions just gave him an opportunity to show his true colors, a knee jerk reaction, that he tried to take back after it was out there (at one point he put his hand over his mouth with an oops gesture). I think he is controlling and self centered. That’s why he did dancing with the stars and then went on to the soap opera.
I always thought Jake was a fake, going back to the Bachelorette with Gillian but I had no idea what a scary controlling creep he was until tonight. I never was a fan of Vienna on the show but her being so honest tonight makes me feel for her as at least she can tell the truth, unlike him.
Jake has major control issues and he finally showed his true colours when he almost hit her tonight when he yelled, “Don’t interupt me!!” and raised his right hand. He is a bomb about to go off with the rage he is surpressing that his clenching jaw and popping veins clearly show.
Vienna was abused by him and you can clearly see the impact to her self esteem and her emotional reaction and pain written across her face. Her jumping up just after he almost hit her is based purely in fear and I think even she is in denial about just how dangerous Jake is as earlier she said it isn’t anger that is to be scared of – little does she realize now. I predict in future, Jake will be in the news again but for assualt.
Jake’s insecurity and feigned disrespect from Vienna for checking directions and suggesting furniture moves speaks volumes as to his mental instability to take that as emasculating and undermining. Note he gave no other examples as he couldn’t since it is all in his head. There is no excuse for violence and to throw out the GPS shows a very violent temper – thank God she is away from him!!
Oh and we all fail to realize that things were not fair in that Jake got to come on first and have his say alone with Chris before Vienna got called on. She was interupting him because of her horror at his lies and because after being abused, oppressed and silenced for so long as she was by Jake… it finally all came pouring out of her after holding it in for so long. She didn’t deserve the abuse from him. Yes, Jake is gay and he is a control freak that should get therapy ASAP! All he cares about is his image and celebrity. He didn’t care about Gillian or Vienna, nor for Vienna’s dog, nor her dad or her family and the only reason he went on the show tonight was to try to make her look bad and to try to make himself look good (as he has tried to do on all the tv shows he has been on to date). The guy is a total jerk/fake! But he failed miserably. Now people who know anything about psychology or abusive controlling men, will readily recognize the truth that his abusive behaviour showed so clearly on tv tonight.
100% on Vienna’s side. Jake is an asshole!!! I have never seen such an insecure guy. Undermine him? Get some confidence, Jake. You’re an asshole!!
Diana, thanks for telling me to wake up. I appreciate your concern! From the thread of things it looks like Jake may be a sociopath. I didn’t watch Dancing with the Stars but his comments to Chelsie Hightower cited by others on the list make me question his Emotional I.Q. One idea I have come back to is Jillian thinking that Jake was too perfect to be real. This may be a sign of a manipulator. I know many of the signs of sociopaths (I work with one) and know how they can manipulate the situation to make themselves look good. This may be what is going on at this last interview especially judging by Vienna’s extreme emotional response. Also Jake’s choice of someone who is totally unsuitable for him may be a sign that he has little or no insight or ability to sense the emotions of others (also a symptom of a sociopath).
Vienna is a sociopath! Look up the symptoms. They can lie / cry as if telling the truth.
If you watched the series it was Vienna that was disliked by everyone. Based on the series, I side with Jake.
Anyways, I think this show attracts / selects sociopathic people to be in it. Why else is it so entertaining?
The same symptoms apply to Rozlyn Papa, and that other guy Wes, and the wrestler guy in Ali’s series.
But it wouldn’t surprise me if both Vienna and Jake are sociopaths?
On the other hand, if Vienna was like that ALL the time and I hadn’t had any sleep, I’d be that pissed off too.
Never was a Vienna fan but always thought Jake thought he was all that and a bag of chips. He is so full of himself. Vienna sounded sincere and was definitely upset and you could tell she has been emotionally abused by Jake by the way she was over emotional and trying to get it all out at once. I don’t think she meant to be rudd but it may have been her one opportunity to release all her feelings. Yes interrupting us rude but that doesn’t make her a spoiled brat. What does make Jake a total asshat is the fact that he can’t even validate her pain, he aggressively yells at her to not interrupt like she’s a child. And he throws things out of anger?? That is a red flag right there people. Vienna is not perfect but I think in this interview she was being sincere, she has backup to her stories (proof she wasn’t cheating…tabloids will claim anyone is cheating if you’re even in the same zipcode!) Jake is going purely on heresay, he has no concrete proof of anything and Vuenna offered a polygraph. Jake’s body language and demeanor showed his WAS lying and his anger outbursts showed that if it happened in the few min we say him, it most likely happened frequently behind doors. I saw Jake for exactly who he us. He wants a trophy wife with no brain who has no opinion of her own and will do whatever he wants. It is unlikely he will find anyone Luke that so good luck to you Jake.
Excuse the typos, not used to this iPhone yet lol
If a man is so insecure that he feels undermined by a woman looking at a GPS or suggesting a better way to place the furniture then he has a big problem that has nothing to do with the woman.
If a man is jealous of a gay man and another man at a public charity event and assumes his g/f is cheating over that – again this is a sign of an extremely insecure man.
If a man stops having sex with you within a month and claims it is because he is fasting then the next time you ask he says it is because he didn’t feel like it, then the third excuse is he wants to wait till marriage (WTF??!!) and then finally he claims it is because of your (his g/f) emasculating and undermining him for the aforementioned, again big red flags the guy is gay and/or has major issues.
When you first fall in love the first 4-6 months is almost all about sex and it is great sex too! Tons of lust and desire. For him to sit there tonight and try to lamely defend that sex and intimacy aren’t everything speaks volumes that this guy can’t even perform in bed so again, probably because he is to insecure to or he is gay and is denial about it.
He displayed all the warning signs of someone who will eventually brake his hand punching a wall and next step after that is on the woman’s head or worse – note that midfield since you are defending this abusive behaviour as being ok and share that you have put a fist in the wall before. It is not ok! Violence in any form is never ok! If you cannot control your temper you need help. It may be rude for someone to interrupt and it may even be frustrating however, it isn’t an excuse to become violent. If you have a temper like that you have issues and it won’t be long before it progresses.
I loll re. Vienna blaming Jake for everything. If that was the case why would she have offered an apology tonight? I also lol re the comment that Jake needs an independent woman – that is a scary thought because if he ever finds a truly independent woman, he may end up putting her in hospital because he only wants a mindless woman he can control and that is obvious.
For those of you who forgot, here is Jake asking a pro dance trainer’s direction as disrespectful. Sounds familiar hey!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQs7oXyUnYk&feature=related
Vienna, thank your lucky stars to be away from Jake! He is a raging creep!
* Glibness and Superficial Charm
* Manipulative and Conning
*They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible.
*They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. *They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
* Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
* Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis.
*Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.
*Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
* Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
*A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core.
*Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities.
*Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims.
*The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
* Shallow Emotions
*When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. *Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. *Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
* Incapacity for Love
* Need for Stimulation
*Living on the edge.
*Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.
*Promiscuity and gambling are common.
* Callousness/Lack of Empathy
*Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
* Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
*Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim.
*Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
* Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
*Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others.
*Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
* Irresponsibility/Unreliability
* Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. * Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. * Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
* Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
*Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts including witholding sex.
* Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
*Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
* Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
*Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. *Changes life story readily.
Other Related Qualities:
1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired.
7. Conventional appearance.
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s).
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life.
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love).
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim.
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another.
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt.
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose.
Jake’s comment re. flying the dog out “on his dollar” seems a bit much since he is a pilot and they always get amazing deals on airfare. Heck, he could have flown to get the dog himself! He obviously did not care for her pet and part of an abusive and controlling man is to remove all the people/pets you care for and to isolate you which he did to Vienna by moving her to LA.
Jake nagging Vienna to get a job was his attempt to undermine her and lower her self esteem (he cracked on the show tonight taht at least he had a job so this proves it is true!) and it is rather crazy as he must have been paid well for the Bachelor and for the Dancing with the Stars series and he was a pilot! So he begrudges helping to support her when she is there supporting him and his career! I mean Vienna received no pay from the Bachelor and had to live off her savings to stay in LA to be with him and that was a long time and so he criticized her for this rather than appreciate her for it? What kind of man is that.
I think all along all Jake cared about was his image on tv and with the public – he never cared for Vienna. Anyone could see that tonight and the fact he wouldn’t have sex with her after just a few weeks is insane! What man doesn’t want sex and especially new into the relationship?!
Maybe she was immature in some ways but hey she is young and he knew that. I wasn’t a fan of her on the show but one can easily tell that she is the person who has been consistent throughout. She was hated in the house for being so honest and her reactions tonight were the same – showing her honest feelings whereas surpressed Jake was about to blow a gasket since he keeps everything bottled up in his pitiful attempts to pretend to be in control and calm. What a joke! He is a creep and he has big issues.
Jake is definitely a good person and it is unfortunate for him to be in this situation. So yeah, Jake may have gotten a little carried away with the fame; but people need to realize that this is only natural human behavior. He can’t be perfect.
First off, take note how old Vienna is. She’s 24, and that’s at the age of immaturity and childish actions. Vienna thinks that relationships have to do with attention, kissing, and sex…Typical childish thinking…
During the interview, Vienna couldn’t keep her mouth shut and let Jake give his side of the story. I don’t blame Jake for raising his voice to her, for I would have done the same if I kept constantly getting interrupted. This was an interview for both of them, not only Vienna. Even Chris needed to stop her from interrupting. That shows her selfish side. Another thing that was selfish was the fact that she SOLD their break-up information to the media. Her excuse to that? “Jake would have done the same.” Bull crap, it is obvious that Jake isn’t that type of person. If anything, he wanted to keep the break-up secretive and to themselves.
The things Jake said about Vienna were very true. Vienna ALWAYS needs to be right, if not, she argues. This is the reason why she couldn’t shut her mouth during Jake’s talking time. She also ALWAYS wants things her way. This is why she stormed off the set crying. She did it for sympathy of the viewing audience; and people are actually falling for that crap.
Throughout the whole interview, Jake was very professional, respectful, and gentlemen-like (in exception to the “You disgust me” and “DON’T TALK WHILE I’M TALKING!” *although well deserved), while Vienna was constantly talking and raising her voice.
In conclusion, Vienna needs to grow up before finding any type of true relationship.
Also, Jake should put this in the past and move out of the spotlight. He should stay away from the media and especially away from Vienna.
Jake had the same explosive anger eruption with Chealsy Hightower on DWTS. This guy has serious problems.
From DAY 1, I did NOT like Vienna. That being said, she was the one telling the TRUTH last night! Just look at Jake’s body language. Everytime he answered a question, he would look away. Vienna looked Jake in the eyes (or Chris) when she spoke. Believe me, I am not saying Vienna is a saint! BUT I believe she was (or thought she was) in love with Jake. However, he chose her for the shock factor and to promote his acting career. And I wouldn’t be surprised if it came out that he was gay.
Wow, people certainly have a lot of special inside knowledge of Jake and Vienna’s relationship to know how Vienna “ALWAYS” reacts. It is really scary how individuals can be fooled by folks like Jake. I don’t know how Jake’s personality can be so “obvious” when he never was “real” on the show. The thing that bothered me most about Jake from his first appearance on the Bachelorette was that he was not genuine and appeared to be acting. (dito post #130).Everything he said seemed rehearsed and insincere. I think post #135 hit the nail right on the head, however, I think Narcissistic Personality Disorder could also be added in the mix. I feel very sorry for Vienna. She really is a small town girl who was trashed by the media for no reason. I truly think she went on the show to win her man. Jake only picked her because she was the least liked by others. He never intended to have a real relationship with her and probably thought he would come out smelling like a rose when the relationship ended. He thought wrong. This whole thing has been very disturbing to watch.
VIENNA SHOWS NO CLASS…SHE KEEPS TALKING TOO MUCH AND INTERRUPTING!! How could any man stand her?
If you listen to both and watch their reactions, you will realize that Jake is the typical control freak and an abusive brat who wants only his own way. Typical of controlling men: move their woman away from all friends; leave them with no job or money; accuse them of looking at other guys or having affairs when there is no reason (I believe that she was at a charity event, etc….). I hope she stays far away from him…….and those that have commented that maybe Ali will still end up with Jake….RUN, ALI, RUN, if he comes near!
Did you see the clip where Jake admits to throwing the GPS across the car? What if Vienna hurled the GPS in a fit of rage? She’d be crazy, right? Well, What do you think Jake is??? Is it ok for a man to use Violence around women? Wake up ladies. Jake is a violent control freak man looking for his next victim (hopefully not you!). Tigers don’t change their stripes.
vienna is right. she was extremely articulate. he is out of touch with his feelings. he is incapable of having a relationship. thats why he is a bachelor.
Anyone remember how Jake was to Chelsea on DWTS knew right then that he is arrogant, self-righteous, and can’t stand it if anyone corrects him, especially a woman! He thought he could tell Chelsea what to do, and she was the professional dancer. I think the reason he chose Vienna was her age and he thought he could control her, as she seemed like an airhead on the show. Well, now he sees that he will not have her to continually push around and he can’t stand it, even not being able to admit that she is the one who broke up with him. When he was on the Bachelorette he couldn’t stand it that he was let go, and had to return to get another moment to show the “woman” that he knew more than she……what a jerk!
I’m going to post what DCam said because it is exactly what I think as well:
Jake is such a loser! He demonstrated what a control freak, narcissist, and short man he really is!!! She is no bargain and has her share of problems but he showed what a sick, pathetic, controlling short man he really is. He is a classic narcissist. He has an anger management problem and is prone to violence; he admitted it. This often happens when someone cannot control another person. She should be happy to be rid of such garbage. She can do better. It is no wonder he is single. It should come as no surprise that he has serious personality issues; who would go on this show???
I’m going to post what Bob said, I like it: From the thread of things it looks like Jake may be a sociopath. I didn’t watch Dancing with the Stars but his comments to Chelsie Hightower cited by others on the list make me question his Emotional I.Q. One idea I have come back to is Jillian thinking that Jake was too perfect to be real. This may be a sign of a manipulator. I know many of the signs of sociopaths (I work with one) and know how they can manipulate the situation to make themselves look good. This may be what is going on at this last interview especially judging by Vienna’s extreme emotional response. Also Jake’s choice of someone who is totally unsuitable for him may be a sign that he has little or no insight or ability to sense the emotions of others (also a symptom of a sociopath).
Jake was a completely different person in that interview. He was arrogant and mean. At one point I thought he was going to strike vienna. He did not care that vienna was upset and at one point while vienna was weeping he tried to drown out her tears by talking loudly. Where did the love go so quickly? Where did the nice and loving Jake disappear to? Vienna was always a girl with spirit and he has broken her down. After seeing that interview, Im not so sure about the Bachelor anymore.
It’s really sad to see all the women on this post side with Jake, and it’s obvious why there are so many male jerks in the world, because of women like this. Are you Pro Jakers blind?? The guy is void of a heart, a Napolean insecure semi-sociopath. I was expecting to see all the women wake up now after the interview last night, but I’m shocked. Not saying much for Vienna, I didn’t care for her from the start. But my impression of Jake was also dead on from the start. The guy is a typical heartless emotionless dud that all you women chase after on a daily basis. And we wonder why so many women are unhappy in relationships and divorce is so high.
If I wasn’t 100% sure before last night’s interview with Vienna and Jake, it sure is now — Jake is a closet case gay. You can tell, esp. in his eyes, hand gestures (effeminate) and those girly dance moves on ‘DWTS”. The guy is a complete and total woman-hater and soooo immature and cock-sure of himself. Mr. “I AM BEING UNDERMINED”. Ali is lucky he didn’t pick her. Poor Vienna! I felt so sorry for her. But she is better off without this secret pole-smoker!
Aly, come on! Different person? People don’t change. The dud was a dud from the start. He didn’t miraculously change or get beaten down since the show started. Nice nd loving Jake? Come on that was show. As soon as the cameras were off, the real Jake was there waiting. A leopard can’t hide its spots forever. There are no excuses as much as women would like to make for these jerks. Guys don’t change. If they’re jerks or duds, you can bet they always were.
I’m siding with Vienna! It was completely obvious last night that Jake has a temper problem! Didn’t anyone else see that? He was being a total douche bag! I personally think he’s gay, and that’s maybe why he wouldn’t be intimate with her. He’s only after fame, and I believe Vienna when she said she didn’t want that life. I’m sure that she’s telling the truth about everything, but I think Jake was more the problem in the relationship than she was.
In my post I meant to say “I’m sure she’s NOT telling the truth about everything…”
TEAM VIENNA! Jake is a total moron– using the term “undermine” was disgusting of him. He is fake and gross. Creeper!
I was Team Jake till i seen the interview, and it wasn’t so much what Vienna said, but what Jake didn’t say. Whatever he said to rebuttle her seemed to be a lie or very evasive. His body language said he was very uncomfotable. And what guy has a constant complaint of being undermined by his significant other. One who needs to be in control. I believe he is a perfectionist, and when she ruffles his feathers it is a really big deal to him because it’s not perfect. >>>>And just for arguments sake, those of you who say she’s immature for thinking she needs attention , kissing and sex in a relationship, are totally absurd. Those are some ways to show affection that show u love and desire the one your with. He withheld that because he wanted to punish her for not staying in line. It’s classic textbook of a controlling significant other.”Jakeischeap” in a post above said it best.
Vienna! She is so telling the truth while jake is just getting famous. How do you explain all the attention he’s getting, all a sudden ?
Vienna!! I didn’t even watch the show, however, I read that everyone hated her for some reason. But it is quite obvious that this guy Jake has control issues and a temper that percolates just below the surface. I don’t trust him, it looks like he did the show on a whim and like most reality stars wants to prolong is 15 minutes. I have no take on Vienna, she is what she is,I don’t think she is hiding anything… the problem is he changed and she didn’t expect that and couldn’t handle it. That’s what you get when you try to find “love” on reality tv.
Jake is an idiot, a pathedic one at that. Vienna is too good for him, that’s all I have to say.
i thought Jake was the most amazing guy on the Bachelor but wow did we see his true colors last night. I agree it is annoying when you can’t finish your thoughts but holy crap he is a control freak. he has a cow if she even disagrees with him. I am 100% on Vienna’s side.
He is crazy.
Jake’s statement that he has never raised his voice at a woman gave me the creeps–his emotional abuse and his way of belittling and demeaning a person is passive aggressive. He does it without raising his voice. He emotionally abuses Vienna by constantly saying “you’re interrupting again” whenever she tried to defend herself or saying she was undermining him whenever she had a different opinion. Did you notice how many times HE interrupted her?
Jake looked like he was going to slap the crap out of Vienna at any given minute. He is a control freak and his face told the whole story. He made up the lie that Vienna cheated to trash her and for him to look like the good guy but it did not work. He looks like a wife beater and has some serious problems. Good for Vienna that she has some backbone even if she is rather young. Jake is horrible.
Come on people. Even if you hate Vienna it was clear that SHE was the one telling the truth. As per always, Jake was awkward and weird. Vienna may have come off as emotional and loudmouthed- that’s who she is. But she’s been put through the ringer by all of you people out there who decided to hate her because you loved Tenley the Disney Princess. Even the other people who were around them said that Jake was emotionally abusive. So, even if you don’t like the girl- no female deserves to be treated the way she was treated by Jake. He’s a fake and liar. It was pathetic to watch (him).
Did anyone see Dancing with the Stars and Jake’s abusive and controlling behavior with his dancing pro? Last nights interview and how he snapped did not suprise me. He is a phony want-to-be star. I initially did not favor Vienna although I do believe she was in the relationship for love.
At first I questioned Vienna’s sincerity on the show, but now I see that it is Jake who has the problems. He felt “undermined” about where to place a dresser in their apartment–give me a break. Who could live with a man like that; he is shallow and insecure. I support Vienna and wish things could have worked out for her.
I knew he was a jerk when he said to the old bachelorette that he was angry that she made him get on his knee.
I’ve never was on Vienna’s side, I don’t care for Bachlore /Bachlorette show but I watched this last night ’cause I was curious. I could see in Jake’s manner that he was lying through most of the interview. He’s also cocky and I believe it stems from the knowledge that he could have any woman he wants. But Vienna although not as attractive and maybe even a tease or slut on the show was honest. You could hear it in her voice. You don’t have to be a psychology major to figure it out. Just watch “Lie to Me” or any criminal show – even your gut could tell you. Also if you’ve ever dated or married someone like this – they do exist – they do have their fun w/ you in public but in private they’re bored and turned off by needs. They will leave at will and appear emotionless even bipolar. But they’ll come back when they feel you’re pulling away from them. They may even attempt to change their attitude briefly but they will always go back to their old ways. Jake is an ass and will not change but there are women out there that will put up w/ it; ignoring their instincts and catering to the man as if he were a child.
Much to my own dismay, I watched the show and was actually intrigued by both Vienna and Jake (I am old enough to be their parents, so with age comes wisdom). Vienna is way too young and immature for Jake, her physical attibutes are most certainly the main focus of Jake’s choice (let’s be realistic here, he is a man). Then reality set in. The physical aspects are what drove them at the beginning, then he went right into another show, she started whinning,and at the end of the day, they were both disenchanted with what they thought they had and it just fizzled out. Jake was over it, Vienna is not one to take ‘no’ or ‘it’s over’ lightly, so she used her spoiled rotten actions to push Jake away even further. (Don’t forget she is a Daddy’s girl and Daddy has admittedly spoiled her, her entire life, thus far.)When Vienna called Jake a ‘fame whore’, that was by far the best indication of who she truly is. People, she is the ‘fame whore’, the truth is the truth. She is staying in LA for a reason and it is not the job she says she got. She likes the attention, so does Jake to a degree. At first it appeared that Jake was coming off as a pompous ass, but I don’t think so anymore. I think he is drained by Vienna’s immature actions and put up a wall to protect himself. What man wouldn’t. At this point, who really cares, they will both be fine, we will see them and hear about them for a long while to come, they are on their way to new fame. Good luck !!!!!
I’m surprised anybody thought Jake’s reactions were genuine. I know that I didn’t vote for him on DWTS, I could see his arrogance shine through. I never was on Vienna’s side. I think she’s phoney, ugly and immature. BUT, the way he kept shutting her down (control issues) and NEVER once validating anything she has to say told volumes! Don’t let his looks fool you, there is a egocentric monster. I use to like him, now I’m sorry I wasted my time feeling sorry for him on the original bachelorette, he just wanted stardom.
Jake is a FAME WHORE who wants to be a movie star – in his dreams!!! He’s horrible and disgusting. The more I see of him, the more I hate him. It’s the other way around for Vienna. i used to hate her but now I feel sorry for her. Get away from that A-HOLE!
He is so fake! I will boycott any product or show that shows his ugly mug. I’m so sick of him!
Initially, I didn’t think that Vienna was the right choice for him, but after watching the break-up interview– I have total respect for her and absolutely none for Jake. He is disgusting.
I think someone should have stuffed vienna’s motuh..she would drive anyone crazy,,she did it on the bachelor with the women..but jake stood by her,,that was the mistake he made..how can people say he has violent tendecy..come on people..we all have raised our voices and have waved are hands around a time or 2..I think jake is getting a dirty wrap…she is a crazy woman..
I loved Jake when he was on the bachelorett but then when i seen how he Treated Vienna on the break up interview I was blown away by what an asshole he was sorry the guy has anger problems!!! and i know see why they are No longer together!! I THINK THAT VIENNA DESERVRS BETTER!! CUZ THAT IS WHO HE REALLY IS, AND BOY WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THAT!!!! I’M JUST SAYIN
Vienna has and will always been a whore. She is nothing but a stupid $%^# seeking fame. And Jake has poor taste in women. You wanted a whore and you got one. Both of you need to crawl back under the rock you came from.
Carol, How do you know so much about Vienna’s character? At least she never pretended to be something she wasn’t, while Jake is about as fake as they come.
I always heard the proof is in the pudding…and Jake can ACT all nice if he wants to, he is only fooling his self ..Vienna is right he is a “fame whore” because if he wasn’t he would have never committed to doing dancing with the stars right after the Bachelor ..he would have spent time with the girl he choose and tried to make his relationship work…I thought he was looking for love…he did not have to go very far,he just needed to pull his mirror out of his pocket!
Why does every story about this Jake and Vienna interview state that Jake “yelled” at Vienna for interrupting him, and she ran off sobbing. I watched the interview, and I never once saw Jake yell. After being interrupted like 10 times by Vienna, he sternly stated “please stop interrupting me!” He did NOT yell. There is a difference between stating something sternly and yelling at someone. Clearly, being calm and soft spoken wasn’t going to work with Vienna, as she cut him off every time he started to speak up till that point. He was clearly irritated at this point (who wouldn’t be?), but he simply did not lose it with her. Even if he had, could you blame him? Vienna ran off sobbing because that’s how she deals with conflicts. She did it on the Bachelor show too (when the girls all confronted her). She’s emotional and dramatic, and that’s how she handles her problems. People need to give Jake a break.
If you think back to the show Jake chose Vienna without really knowing about her in the long run. Even though there were warnings from the other girls and his own mother about Vienna he did not heed them.
I am truly amazed that they moved in with each other so quickly. It just shows you have to think out your relationship with your head not just your emotions.
Regarding the way Jake and Vienna were presented on television by Chris Harrison on their breakup would seem not to be an advantage for either of them – just an advantage for the show and its ratings.
Maybe they were both paid to do that humiliating interview – but certainly they knew for a while what it was leading up to.
all the way jake!
cause she talks too much to cover her ass and faults. everything jake is trying to speak she cuts off. it tells that she does want jake to speak cause she is afraid of truth being revealed. she talk tooo much of excuses and all lies that will make her look poor or pityful. what a biatch